Are you really ready for two years of this?

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17 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Money is created by credit. 

 

The counterpart of money is debt! 

The Treasury issues a request to the Federal Reserve that controls the money supply to issue money.
The Federal reserve grants the requests and lends the money back to the US Government at an interest.

it's a scam.  Ofcourse the FED ought not to charge interest on the money created on request by the Government.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by WhereIsMyRyeBread

[Saltire 1,313]

7 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Yes they had underlying health issues that does not mean they were at deaths door and were going to die that week. Many of the people with underlying health issue had many years let to live. You can live decades with underlying health issues such as diabetes.

   Again your response seems to be based on the fact that you think the ones who died were just about to die anyway so their lives are worthless.

Yes! My insurance company is already telling me that if I need care for contracting the virus, as I have declared pre existing conditions (cardio, diabetes) then they are unlikely to offer me cover.

 

I am pretty healthy even with those conditions (have had already 10 years) and find it hard to accept that something that did not even exist 4 months ago can somehow be linked to any pre-existing condition. I hate all insurace companies.

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13 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Darwin doesn't do any work... so I imagine you mean "the survival of the fittest" which is exactly what this virus is about... culling the herd. 

 

And save for those who die in prison, we can assume that all the others are innocent, never mind their cause of death... 

if some of those that die are those who think they know better than the experts and don’t have to do what the experts say then that will increase the intelligence of the herd.

   What I hope is that these selfish people don’t lead to the deaths of others by either taking up valuable hospital beds or by passing on the disease to people who have been following the advice.

[Enzian 810]

The state of India with the most cases at present is Maharashtra, where Mumbai is the large city. Present temp 31 C. India has a lot of northern regions where it even snows in the winter; this will be something to follow, but I'm sure we will be hearing of developments.  

[UbonThani 2,690]

44 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Your response just seems to be screw those who die. Their lives weren’t worth much anyway. 

 

36 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Yes they had underlying health issues that does not mean they were at deaths door and were going to die that week. Many of the people with underlying health issue had many years let to live. You can live decades with underlying health issues such as diabetes.

   Again your response seems to be based on the fact that you think the ones who died were just about to die anyway so their lives are worthless.

Stop misquoting me. 500k flu deaths a year.

 

Yet millions actually hundreds of millions spread the flu each year and don't care.

 

18m heart disease deaths nobody hardly calls for fast food to be banned.

 

Seems to massive double stds.

 

Die from 101 things who cares

Die from Corona mass panic

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[Brunolem 7,178]

46 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

if some of those that die are those who think they know better than the experts and don’t have to do what the experts say then that will increase the intelligence of the herd.

   

But the experts don't even agree between themselves! 

 

There are mostly two kinds of experts, those who have been working in hospitals and research all their lives (like Pr Raoult who is against locking down) and those who have spent a great deal of their lives weaseling in the corridors of power and politics (like Dr Fauci who would like to lock down America until there is zero case). 

 

Personally, I know which ones I trust the most... 

[richard_smith237 26,103]

10 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

 

Stop misquoting me. 500k flu deaths a year.

 

Yet millions actually hundreds of millions spread the flu each year and don't care.

 

18m heart disease deaths nobody hardly calls for fast food to be banned.

 

Seems to massive double stds.

 

Die from 101 things who cares

Die from Corona mass panic

 

With any luck by the end of the year SARS-nCoV-2019 will have only contributed to as many deaths as the 500k per year deaths related to Influenza.

 

Without a vaccine and effective treatment the current spread rate and FCR places the numbers at far higher than an annual Influenza mortality rate. 

 

We are 3 months into a Pandemic, the spread of infection is still exponential, the deaths could well enter the millions. When projecting ahead 12 months the numbers are frightening and make the Influenza numbers look small. 

 

 

Your comparisons are interesting: Heart disease; you could add smoking, drinking etc - these are lifestyle choices and within peoples control (to a certain extent). Malaria has been used as a comparison to deaths related to Covid-19, as has Cancer. Malaria is avoidable with medication, the issues with the high Malaria deaths are humanitarian and financial, there is medication we can take to avoid contracting malaria. US$70 billion has been pumped into Cancer, research and is on going, it can’t be stopped but we’re trying, IF Social Distancing would stop cancer, we’d have been doing so for years and the world would be a different place. 

 

There is no known cure for Covid-19 yet. No known effective treatment (drugs) other than palliative treatment with respirators for those severely affected. 

 

At the moment Covid-19 cannot be compared to any known established diseases because Covid-19 is in its infancy. 

Next year, if we have a Vaccine or effective drugs to treat and minimise the impact of Covid-19 then we can relax about it and hopefully compare it to seasonal Influenza or in a best case have medicine which eradicates the impact of Coronaviruses on us all. But, in the mean time ‘great concern’ (not panic) is the correct course of action, because at the moment we don’t know what else to do to prevent the spread of SARS-nCov-2019 other than isolate. 

 

The majority of your '101 ways to die' are probably avoidable - we have no way of avoiding SARS-nCov-2019 unless we take exceptional and draconian measures. 

 

 

On your other notes: Of course, Ban Fast Food, but if you want to take those measures, ban processed sugars in foods, ban alcohol, ban cigarettes - but these are freedoms, people can make an informed choice. 

 

SARS-nCov-2019 is indiscriminate in who it infects - that is the difference and that is why your arguments in your post above (and many others who use similar arguments) are flawed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

We are 3 months into a Pandemic, the spread of infection is still exponential, the deaths could well enter the millions. When projecting ahead 12 months the numbers are frightening and make the Influenza numbers look small. 

 

The majority of your '101 ways to die' are probably avoidable - 

At the actual rate of death, which appears to be stable, except maybe in the US, it would take years to reach millions of deaths... but by then we would all be dead from the economic collapse anyway... 

 

Many ways to die are not avoidable, starting with cancer and its 10 million deaths per year, year after year. 

 

If every day, the authorities had the honesty to present their populations comparative numbers, such as:

 

- number of new cases of coronavirus

- number of new cases of cancer

 

- number of deaths from coronavirus

- number of deaths from cancer

 

the panic would evaporate quickly. 

 

But they want panic, which is why they provide very partial information. 

[JackThompson 7,726]

On 4/4/2020 at 3:30 AM, Jingthing said:

Expecting a miracle treatment is not realistic. Remember how long that took with HIV?

HIV was a Death Sentence for nearly everyone who got it, and early treatments were not well-tolerated and only somewhat effective. 

This disease has a low mortality rate - declining rapidly, as it is discovered how many are infected w/o symptoms, when widespread testing is done. 

OTOH, HIV was easy to avoid (unless you had hemophilia), whereas this spreads very easily.

 

As well, there is already a known drug combination which has shown efficacy - hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin.  But because they are off-patent, there is not a lot to be gained by large pharmaceuticals.  The testing seems to be dragging on forever - should have taken ~10 days to replicate the French study with a larger group.  In fact, the French have already completed a follow-up study, with excellent results.

 

Given this, the only thing preventing us re-starting economic activity, is mass-production of these drugs.  This would be combined with the isolation of the tiny percentage of the population who cannot use the treatment (some heart-patients, those allergic to them, etc), until other options are available which they can tolerate, or until the virus dies-out from lack of non-immune hosts.

 

[UbonThani 2,690]

1 minute ago, JackThompson said:

HIV was a Death Sentence for nearly everyone who got it, and early treatments were not well-tolerated and only somewhat effective. 

This disease has a low mortality rate - declining rapidly, as it is discovered how many are infected w/o symptoms, when widespread testing is done. 

OTOH, HIV was easy to avoid (unless you had hemophilia), whereas this spreads very easily.

 

As well, there is already a known drug combination which has shown efficacy - hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin.  But because they are off-patent, there is not a lot to be gained by large pharmaceuticals.  The testing seems to be dragging on forever - should have taken ~10 days to replicate the French study with a larger group.  In fact, the French have already completed a follow-up study, with excellent results.

 

Given this, the only thing preventing us re-starting economic activity, is mass-production of these drugs.  This would be combined with the isolation of the tiny percentage of the population who cannot use the treatment (some heart-patients, those allergic to them, etc), until other options are available which they can tolerate, or until the virus dies-out from lack of non-immune hosts.

 

Every country does their own trials. By June things will look a whole lot better.

 

Another 2 weeks of lockdowns will lower spread a lot in many countries.

 

Id expect deaths below Swine flu.

[UbonThani 2,690]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

At the actual rate of death, which appears to be stable, except maybe in the US, it would take years to reach millions of deaths... but by then we would all be dead from the economic collapse anyway... 

 

Many ways to die are not avoidable, starting with cancer and its 10 million deaths per year, year after year. 

 

If every day, the authorities had the honesty to present their populations comparative numbers, such as:

 

- number of new cases of coronavirus

- number of new cases of cancer

 

- number of deaths from coronavirus

- number of deaths from cancer

 

the panic would evaporate quickly. 

 

But they want panic, which is why they provide very partial information. 

They lie. People can google death stats though.

 

 

[WhereIsMyRyeBread 111]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

At the actual rate of death, which appears to be stable, except maybe in the US, it would take years to reach millions of deaths... but by then we would all be dead from the economic collapse anyway... 

 

Many ways to die are not avoidable, starting with cancer and its 10 million deaths per year, year after year. 

 

If every day, the authorities had the honesty to present their populations comparative numbers, such as:

 

- number of new cases of coronavirus

- number of new cases of cancer

 

- number of deaths from coronavirus

- number of deaths from cancer

 

the panic would evaporate quickly. 

 

But they want panic, which is why they provide very partial information. 

It remains unknown how many are infected so the denominator is unknown to establish the actual death rate. 

As you know, cancer is a group of diseases involving abnormal cell growth. It's pointless to compare Cancer with Covid.

 

If you wash your hands you can actually wash the virus away before you inhale it, that's what they're trying to convey. Hence it's time sensitive info.

Last time I checked you can't wash away a cancer tumour. What's the point you're to make? Anything that begins with the letter C that can kill you?

 

 

 

 

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If you look at the "flattening the curve" charts, the get it over and done with curve is high but over quickly. The alternative has less people at first but lasts much longer, assuming no vaccine the death rate will be similar, except the economies are in shatters. Not for for the media heads, rich and celebrities beaming out encouragement videos from their mansions, but for the rest of us.

 

For those that think a destroyed economy is a fair price, what about the inevitable increased domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, homeless, crime, suicides. Why are the inevitable deaths from all this acceptable?

 

How long till we are all monitored 24/7 like the Chinese sheep, for our protection of course. What about cash, dangerous for virus transmission, that will have to go as well. My thoughts will change nothing, but am suspicious we are heading to a bad place, and corona is the excuse to get us there.