Are you really ready for two years of this?

[Kadilo 12,386]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I am far, far more worried about the man made catastrophe that is probably going to occur than I am about the virus.

The vast majority will either ( on current information ) not become sick at all, or will get over the symptoms, but if the economy is gone, society will not be far behind, IMO. To save the lives of some people with health problems that would might kill them anyway, governments are actively working to render millions unemployed, with all the horrendous consequences of that, IMO.

 

Without a vaccine, and no responsible expert I've heard is saying one will be ready in less than a year, every time we come out of lockdown the virus might start again. It only takes one symptom less infected traveler entering the country to start it over- it will be interesting to see what happens in China which does seem to be trying to go back to "normal".

The UK government were hinting today at even more stricter controls such as no outdoor exercise, should people  not comply as I think they now realise this flattening is going to take a lot longer than anticipated  Also they are worried this second wave could occur if they come out of lockdown too soon.

[thaibeachlovers 32,961]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The majority of your '101 ways to die' are probably avoidable - we have no way of avoiding SARS-nCov-2019 unless we take exceptional and draconian measures. 

 

If I follow your reasoning correctly, every time we experience such an event we must lockdown and destroy our economies. So, if that is true, if we come out of lockdown and it starts again we must go back into lockdown. Not only that, but when the next similar virus starts we must repeat till a vaccine is developed, which takes up to or longer than a year.

 

I may be missing something, but that seems like a recipe for the destruction of our civilization. Tell me how I'm wrong.

[Jingthing 69,713]

On 4/4/2020 at 3:15 PM, Why Me said:

Exactly. YouTube, Netflix, porn, games, heck, I am not sure when this is over I'll even want to go out.

Yes definitely. Agoraphobia and OCD will become the norm. 

[Jingthing 69,713]

On 4/4/2020 at 4:16 PM, Dap said:

Unless of course it was you dying.

Yeah a recession is your neighbor out of work, a depression is you out of work. 

[thaibeachlovers 32,961]

9 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

The UK government were hinting today at even more stricter controls such as no outdoor exercise, should people  not comply as I think they now realise this flattening is going to take a lot longer than anticipated  Also they are worried this second wave could occur if they come out of lockdown too soon.

If they ban outdoor exercise IMO more people will die from complications of inactivity than from the Corona. What about walking to the supermarket? Many can't order on line for home delivery.

 

IMO if there is no vaccine it is altogether likely a second wave will occur when people come out of lockdown.

[Jingthing 69,713]

On 4/4/2020 at 5:39 PM, UbonThani said:

Most things open in 3 months.

 

2 years is negative nonsense.

Different countries will be on different time tables. South Korea for example doing relatively well. The USA which idiotically let this get out of hand by lack of action for two months can't possibly fully open in 3 months. As the article suggests which I agree with, there will be soft openings and then if things start to heat up too much again, restrictions again. Off and on until a combination of effective treatments, herd immunity (more testing needed!), and eventually a vaccine (again not likely to be in mass production for at least 18 months). Plus the travel thing will continue to be a nightmare easily for two years because different countries will be at different stages and yes there may be new strains that complicate this. We all would love for this to be quick and easy. It won't be. That's already totally obvious.

 

Where is Thailand in this? More like South Korea or more like the USA and Italy? I'm not sure yet but my hunch is somewhere in the middle. 

[thaibeachlovers 32,961]

14 hours ago, Brunolem said:

but by then we would all be dead from the economic collapse anyway... 

Listening to talkback radio it does seem that the awful truth is starting to take hold. How long it takes for the government to wake up to the danger is another thing altogether.

[mstevens 2,365]

18 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

The UK government were hinting today at even more stricter controls such as no outdoor exercise.

 

That would really do my head in if I could not get outside to go for a walk. I need my daily walk not just for exercise but to clear my mind.

[UbonThani 2,690]

Staggered openings is the go. 2 mths open up strict controls. 4 months loosen up. 6 months normal.

 

 

[Kadilo 12,386]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If they ban outdoor exercise IMO more people will die from complications of inactivity than from the Corona. What about walking to the supermarket? Many can't order on line for home delivery.

 

IMO if there is no vaccine it is altogether likely a second wave will occur when people come out of lockdown.

There is no doubt that people are taking the p.iss with the guidelines around one exercise session per day of approx one hour. But tbh it cannot be policed. As you say if they try and restrict it even more people will just say they are walking to the supermarket. 
 

I agree. It’s almost  inevitable. They are just trying to buy time with the current measures. 
 

I’ve just see seen reports and images of groups of people sunbathing today in the parks and being moved on by police. No fines or anything just verbally asked to disperse. This is less than 2 weeks in. It will only get worse. 

[Kadilo 12,386]

4 minutes ago, mstevens said:

 

That would really do my head in if I could not get outside to go for a walk. I need my daily walk not just for exercise but to clear my mind.

I’m the same mate and I’m sure we are not alone. The UK government contradicts itself every day. One day big concerns for people’s mental health and domestic abuse etc , next day talking about no one to exercise outside. 

[Jingthing 69,713]

On 4/4/2020 at 8:03 AM, RoadWarrior371 said:

I plan to infect myself, become immune, and travel the world like some kinda SuperHero.  Corona-Man.  Booyah

Yeah you could try that.

Good luck.

Age 32 and healthy.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html

[thaibeachlovers 32,961]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Plus the travel thing will continue to be a nightmare easily for two years because different countries will be at different stages and yes there may be new strains that complicate this.

While I may disagree as to locking the country down, even I accept that mass air travel is probably dead for a year of more. Even if people were prepared to risk it, many that would like to travel are unlikely to have the spare cash to be able to do so. Anyway, hardly worth flying to another country on holiday if having to go into quarantine for 2 weeks.

If airlines have no customers for a year or more, I can't see flying coming back in the same way, or at least I hope so. Mass tourism has not been kind to host countries. Is that a silver lining?

 

However, the economic effect on all the thousands of people that once worked in overseas travel is going to be catastrophic, unless most can convert to domestic travel, which is the obvious way forward.

[Jingthing 69,713]

Whenever this ends, Thailand, our home countries, and indeed the world will be greatly even radically transformed from this crisis. I'm not making specific predictions but some are obvious.

[thaibeachlovers 32,961]

7 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

people’s mental health and domestic abuse

Lock people up and it's inevitable that mental issues currently suppressed will emerge, and that domestic violence will become a terrible problem. It's less than 2 weeks and police have said domestic violence is increasing. The government solution appears restricted to asking people to "love one another". They should have anticipated this and set up more shelters. On the positive side there are loads of empty motels they can use for the homeless and abused.