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10 hours ago, bluedoc said:

This is from my friend. About Koh Samui.

the government just lies and covers up what’s happening.

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Sure ! and nurses do not have mobile phones to spread the truth...

Ridiculous.

 

 

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On 4/4/2020 at 12:48 PM, Mavideol said:

absolutely pitiful, you screw up with the dates and an apology is required, better not question the integrity of my posts, I am Always right

And, I take it, your wife has given you permission to be always right. 😆😆

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thailand not doing much testing but worldwide the case is.similar. there will be hundreds of thousands of people.who have already had it and recovered at home or havnt even noticed they've had it. 

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7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

While its currently true that the older and those with pre existing conditions succumb to the virus and die, the exceptions to the rule exist and are tragic, the UK had a 5 year old die yesterday https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52165443

 

Also a 13 year old with no pre existing conditions a few days ago https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-52150141

 

Lets hope the younger generation keep fighting off this killer.

Agreed. The young are our future. Do you happen to know if post mortems were held on the two children you cited? There is a difference between dying OF the virus and WITH and all too often this distinction appears not to be being made.

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16 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

I will also find many who think the opposite, thats life. What most people fail to comprehend is that just because their choice of media tells them something, it doesnt make it so. Nearly all news outlets whether TV or newspapers (Broadsheet or Tabloid) have their own agendas. I mean Ive had links thrown at me from CNN and the BBC stating things they have an agenda about. Same with the Daily mail and other righty outlets, just because my politics are right wing it doesnt mean I agree with everything they say, sometimes I find those ridiculous too, because I have an open mind and question everything. 
Same with this virus, all I have done on here inc other topics, when I have challenged people who tell us the figures are incorrect from the government, my opposers immediately say "Well do you believe those numbers?" The fact is, I dont know but because I think things are likely to be covered up, it wouldnt surprise me if the numbers were higher. I actually expect them to become higher after the mass exodus from Mo Chit a week or so ago and if the virus takes two weeks to develop, we are still in that time frame hoping for the best. 

The recent article that said there were 61 new cases in Chonburi got ridiculed by the doom mongers, but in reality, why isnt 61 a valid number for a region? Now dont get me wrong, that figure may only be 61 because of all the people that have left either to the provinces, or farangs returning home, if they had all stayed, then I would agree that 61 was a manufactured figure 100%

I was in Fleet Street most of my working life and can honestly say there was very little pressure in my day to adhere to whatever the official line on any crucial issue of the day.

 

How times have changed! In a couple of decades, the news media has morphed from public watchdog into a lapdog, publicly licking the boots of its corporate masters and the political pawns their wealth and propagandising clout propel into power.

 

If you want the truth about anything, you will have to dig far deeper than the superficial offerings of the tame MSM. There are plenty of alternative news sources and specialist blogger out there doing real, investigative journalism. If you are interested, mail me and I'll suggest a few.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

Right, you very right, get only Americans, Italians, Spaniards, Frenchs, Germans, Britons, they will do better then Chinese.

 

No way man... Chinese only from now on, no dirty westerners 🤮

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7 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Agreed. The young are our future. Do you happen to know if post mortems were held on the two children you cited? There is a difference between dying OF the virus and WITH and all too often this distinction appears not to be being made.

Fell free to use Google and find out, I doubt the parents would want an autopsy performed after not even being by the side of their children when they died and trust the doctors word who cared as best they could for them. I doubt carrying out an autopsy is a priority in a very stretched NHS with all the deaths around when your patients have been struggling on a ventilator and died after testing positive.

 

Anyway the 13 year old did not have an autopsy https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ismail-mohamed-abdulwahab-no-postmortem-coronavirus-a4404116.html

 

If you're interested in the 5 year old then I suggest following up in a couple of days on Google as the death only occurred yesterday.

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9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Fell free to use Google and find out, I doubt the parents would want an autopsy performed after not even being by the side of their children when they died and trust the doctors word who cared as best they could for them. I doubt carrying out an autopsy is a priority in a very stretched NHS with all the deaths around when your patients have been struggling on a ventilator and died after testing positive.

 

Anyway the 13 year old did not have an autopsy https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ismail-mohamed-abdulwahab-no-postmortem-coronavirus-a4404116.html

 

If you're interested in the 5 year old then I suggest following up in a couple of days on Google as the death only occurred yesterday.

As I suspected, no autopsies and therefore no proof that COVID 19 was responsibie for these tragedies - which will go down in the records as caused by the virus.

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8 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

As I suspected, no autopsies and therefore no proof that COVID 19 was responsibie for these tragedies - which will go down in the records as caused by the virus.

If thats the logic you're using then every death throughout the world attributed and diagnosed as Covid that has not had an autopsy after death to re confirm the previous diagnosis means there's no proof that they died of Covid!

 

Common sense states that some deaths will slip though and may be caused by other reasons such as heart attack, however that heart attack would probably not have happened had it not been for the COVID infection. Get a grip

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If thats the logic you're using then every death throughout the world attributed and diagnosed as Covid that has not had an autopsy after death to re confirm the previous diagnosis means there's no proof that they died of Covid!

 

Common sense states that some deaths will slip though and may be caused by other reasons such as heart attack, however that heart attack would probably not have happened had it not been for the COVID infection. Get a grip

The only grip that truly matters in the current health crisis is on reality, which means either knowing or not knowing the cause of death before it is attributed.

 

Children at miniscule risk of dying of COVID 19, even if they contract the virus. It would make sense to confirm such an unlikely occurence with a PM or at least a viral load test.

 

Accurate data is essential for a proportional resonse to the latest viral outbreak. Using your logic (sic), leads to mass misdiagnosis, already widespread, and revealed in extremis in Italy, where the official death rate was unaccountably high until a study revealed the reason. 

 

Professor Walter Ricciardi, an adviser to the Italian minister of health told the Telegraph that the way deaths were being coded was "very generous" - i.e. all hospital patients who died with the coronavirus weere deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

 

That kind of statistical "generosity", wherever it arises, we can do without.

https://www.rt.com/news/484098-coronavirus-fatality-rates-exaggerated-italy/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The only grip that truly matters in the current health crisis is on reality, which means either knowing or not knowing the cause of death before it is attributed.

 

Children at miniscule risk of dying of COVID 19, even if they contract the virus. It would make sense to confirm such an unlikely occurence with a PM or at least a viral load test.

 

Accurate data is essential for a proportional resonse to the latest viral outbreak. Using your logic (sic), leads to mass misdiagnosis, already widespread, and revealed in extremis in Italy, where the official death rate was unaccountably high until a study revealed the reason. 

 

Professor Walter Ricciardi, an adviser to the Italian minister of health told the Telegraph that the way deaths were being coded was "very generous" - i.e. all hospital patients who died with the coronavirus weere deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

 

That kind of statistical "generosity", wherever it arises, we can do without.

https://www.rt.com/news/484098-coronavirus-fatality-rates-exaggerated-italy/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well in the absence of autopsy's where countries are overwhelmed by the crisis and its just not possible, best then to solve this problem rather easily by just adding the caveat that all statistics and diagnosis on deaths are subject to final autopsy, done.

 

In the mean time I'll take the stats that governments publish at face value taking into account a variety of possible caveats until or if that changes.

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42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well in the absence of autopsy's where countries are overwhelmed by the crisis and its just not possible, best then to solve this problem rather easily by just adding the caveat that all statistics and diagnosis on deaths are subject to final autopsy, done.

 

In the mean time I'll take the stats that governments publish at face value taking into account a variety of possible caveats until or if that changes.

I think it's called Hobson's choice!

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