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5 minutes ago, snowgard said:

I real ask myself why now all this virus experts and hospitals don't do a fast research about all different face masks (DIY too). From more as one million infected people they can find enough who they can put in two rooms (one room for infected people with masks, the other room with infected people without masks) and place breathable dummies with all kind of different mask between they.

Next step were to do it with probands. I am sure they will find enough for some thousand dollars. It not will need one week to know which kind of mask will help the world to live a normal life again.

Perhaps the result would be undesirable if it were found that most of the masks would be helpful.

Flu vacvine sales thru the roof this year big pharma delighted

 

 

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1 hour ago, UbonThani said:

Economic forecasts

Co2

Stock market forecasts

Sars forecasts

Swine flu markets

 

Blind freddy could find evidence if one looked

I am sorry your response indicates you lack the evidence to proves you post.

That surprises me not at all, what you really want is validation of your reckless posts.

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On 4/4/2020 at 2:18 PM, pdtokyo said:

maybe not that simple ... any resources put into dealing with problem A ... for example CV19 ... are by definition not being expended on problems B, C, D etc ... for example cancer therapy, malaria, smoking prevention ...

 

At some point, the resources put into either maintaining a lockdown (or dealing with consequences of releasing a lockdown) will divert into the next problem that floats to the top of the pile ... which may be B, X, Y or Z.

 

Nobody controls this stuff, it all happens as a result of squillions of individual decisions and random natural events. 

 

I can't see a TV poll making things any clearer.

 

 

More lives will be lost through poverty, hunger and despair as a result of the lockdowns than would have been lost if herd immunity had been applied from the beginning.

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"Over 60 and believe we should restore freedoms, the economy, and return to normal life"

 

A couple of questions for this group:

 

1. Do you have stocks, bonds or some other funds that are being negatively affected by the lockdown?

 

2. How exactly would we 'return to a normal life' with so many sick and dieing, with health services stretched to breaking point?

 

Sweden is about to change it policies, similar to Asia I believe cultural factors played a part in slow transmission.

 

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34 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I am sorry your response indicates you lack the evidence to proves you post.

That surprises me not at all, what you really want is validation of your reckless posts.

Your post indicates you don't care if you are being conned and you don't know how to research things.

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In 1997 we were told that bird flu could kill millions worldwide. Thankfully, it did not. In 1999 European Union scientists warned that BSE “could kill 500,000 people”. In total, 177 Britons died of vCJD. The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported by as having “a 25% chance of killings tens of millions” and being “worse than Aids”. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared “the first pandemic of the 21st century”, the scares in 2003, 2004 and 2005 having failed to meet their body counts.

Then, in 2009, pigs replaced birds. The BBC announced that swine flu “could really explode”. The chief medical officer, Liam Donaldson, declared that “65,000 could die”. He spent £560m on a Tamiflu and Relenza stockpile, which soon deteriorated. The Council of Europe’s health committee chairman described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as “one of the great medical scandals of the century”.

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21 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

More lives will be lost through poverty, hunger and despair as a result of the lockdowns than would have been lost if herd immunity had been applied from the beginning.

Dying of boredom already

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4 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

That story was written exactly a month ago. Now that Boris has it I'd be surprised if the author hasn't changed his opinion.

 

Bird flu, Pig Flu, MERS all had potential for an epidemic. It has happened before and has been on the cards a long time.

 

If this is an over reaction, what about 9/11 then? Only a few thousand deaths, yet look at the changes that were made. Yesterday alone 1,300 died in the US, tomorrow it'll probably be more.

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14 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

 

In 1997 we were told that bird flu could kill millions worldwide. Thankfully, it did not. In 1999 European Union scientists warned that BSE “could kill 500,000 people”. In total, 177 Britons died of vCJD. The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported by as having “a 25% chance of killings tens of millions” and being “worse than Aids”. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared “the first pandemic of the 21st century”, the scares in 2003, 2004 and 2005 having failed to meet their body counts.

Then, in 2009, pigs replaced birds. The BBC announced that swine flu “could really explode”. The chief medical officer, Liam Donaldson, declared that “65,000 could die”. He spent £560m on a Tamiflu and Relenza stockpile, which soon deteriorated. The Council of Europe’s health committee chairman described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as “one of the great medical scandals of the century”.

Weird post. 

Whatever the facts of those previous threats we are dealing with a new threat now with a virus that has different characteristics than anything we've dealt with before. 

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Weird post. 

Whatever the facts of those previos threats we are dealing with a new threat now with a virus that has different characteristics than anything we've dealt with before. 

Yes and no, another name for covid is severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). SARS did present a danger, just because it didn't happen doesn't mean we shouldn't have been concerned and acted.

 

If it was a law and order issue or terrorism I don't think we'd have people saying it's an over reaction. For example the Trump ban on Muslims entering was seen by some as very important. How many people died from terrorism in the US over the past two years?

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19 minutes ago, mixed said:

That story was written exactly a month ago. Now that Boris has it I'd be surprised if the author hasn't changed his opinion.

 

Bird flu, Pig Flu, MERS all had potential for an epidemic. It has happened before and has been on the cards a long time.

 

If this is an over reaction, what about 9/11 then? Only a few thousand deaths, yet look at the changes that were made. Yesterday alone 1,300 died in the US, tomorrow it'll probably be more.

The forecasts were all wrong though. That's the point.

 

Boris is stressed out and looks like a junk food man. No surprise he is sick. Stress and junk food can see you hammered by flus etc.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, mixed said:

Yes and no, another name for covid is severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). SARS did present a danger, just because it didn't happen doesn't mean we shouldn't have been concerned and acted.

 

If it was a law and order issue or terrorism I don't think we'd have people saying it's an over reaction. For example the Trump ban on Muslims entering was seen by some as very important. How many people died from terrorism in the US over the past two years?

Minor ban. Didnt apply worldwide.

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People get real! 

 

Covid 19 is particularly difficult because 

 

 

It is massively infectious. Even from just breathing. 

 

It has a very long period before any symptoms show. 

 

People are still infectioud during that period. 

 

According to the best current studies available about a quarter to a half of infected people show no symptoms at all. Still infectious. 

 

Yes older people and people with health issues are higher risk. But people that say most such people would have died soon are full of it. 

 

For example asthma and high blood pressure. Such conditions are usually controlled often for many decades with medications. 

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