U.S. coronavirus supply spree sparks outrage among allies

[Crazy Alex]

8 minutes ago, samran said:

Nothing to do with money.

 

Your dear leader used legislation to block the re-export. 
 

So much for that theory then. I’ll wait for the next attempt at spin...

What spin is needed? I simply responded to your suggestion that Canada should stop selling stuff to the US. I respect your right to dodge the issue you brought up yourself. Carry on.

 

PS: Of course it's about money. Why else do you think your suggestion will far upon deaf ears?

Edited April 5, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, samran said:

Five years? 
 

Your man has been in charge for most of that time. Or are you numerically challenged?
 

But sure, it’s Obama’s fault...

What do you mean by "it's Obama's fault"? I simply assert we assign credit and blame where it is due based on the specifics. And not replenishing medical supplies is entirely relevant to any honest person seeking honest debate.

[Inn Between]

Trump has never hidden his true colors. It has always been an unappealing shade of brown that's related to a very bad odor and floats in a toilet.

 

It was so typical to see him throw his son-in-law under the bus the other day when asked in a press conference about the federal gov't's purchase of millions of masks by young Jared Kushner. He offered no explanation and in an angry manner told the reporter to ask his son-in-law directly about a comment saying the masks were only for federal use and will not go to the various states. The reporter was legitimately trying to get Trump to describe the difference between the federal gov't and the United STATES of America. Of course, the poor woman asking the question was treated rudely and any answer deflected (because as usual, Trump had verbally backed himself into one of those corners where he just ignores the question and starts rambling on about what a wonderful job he's doing). 

 

I can only hope that millions of the Americans who put that stinky pile of brown stuff into the White House have finally come to their senses to see what an a-hole he truly is. 

[samran]

3 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

Trump has never hidden his true colors. It has always been an unappealing shade of brown that's related to a very bad odor and floats in a toilet.

 

It was so typical to see him throw his son-in-law under the bus the other day when asked in a press conference about the federal gov't's purchase of millions of masks by young Jared Kushner. He offered no explanation and in an angry manner told the reporter to ask his son-in-law directly about a comment saying the masks were only for federal use and will not go to the various states. The reporter was legitimately trying to get Trump to describe the difference between the federal gov't and the United STATES of America. Of course, the poor woman asking the question was treated rudely and any answer deflected (because as usual, Trump had verbally backed himself into one of those corners where he just ignores the question and starts rambling on about what a wonderful job he's doing). 

 

I can only hope that millions of the Americans who put that stinky pile of brown stuff into the White House have finally come to their senses to see what an a-hole he truly is. 

Living in Asia for so long you learn to pretty quickly spot nepotistic corrupt despots.

 

Americans still have a way to go learning that it seems.

[samran]

23 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

What spin is needed? I simply responded to your suggestion that Canada should stop selling stuff to the US. I respect your right to dodge the issue you brought up yourself. Carry on.

 

PS: Of course it's about money. Why else do you think your suggestion will far upon deaf ears?

Deaf ears?

 

Try and keep up...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/3m-warns-of-white-house-order-to-stop-exporting-masks-to-canada-163060

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, samran said:

Deaf ears?

 

Try and keep up...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/3m-warns-of-white-house-order-to-stop-exporting-masks-to-canada-163060

"Trudeau warns...." Wow, that has me shaking in my boots. LOL

 

PS: it's always about money. This is no exception. The sooner you learn this valuable lesson, the more you will be able to think things through.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[samran]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

"Trudeau warns...." Wow, that has me shaking in my boots. LOL

 

PS: it's always about money. This is no exception. The sooner you learn this valuable lesson, the more you will be able to think things through.

...at the expense of lives.

 

Don't worry, no need to teach me Donald 101.

[rabas]

40 minutes ago, samran said:

Five years? 
 

Your man has been in charge for most of that time. Or are you numerically challenged?
 

But sure, it’s Obama’s fault...

You do realize SARS-1 was in 2003, and for all the hoot and holler, one of the few advancements since then was to figure out how and why chloroquine can be effective against these coronaviruses.

 

Before people blame Trump for a lack of clinical trials, SARS was stopped in its tracks and there were no patients to run a trial. Chloroquine research was done in vitro and theoretically.

Edited April 5, 2020 by rabas

[Inn Between]

15 minutes ago, samran said:

Deaf ears?

 

Try and keep up...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/3m-warns-of-white-house-order-to-stop-exporting-masks-to-canada-163060

Here's a key quote from that article:

 

On Thursday, the Trump administration invoked the Defense Production Act to demand more N95 respirators from 3M, and the White House has cited concerns that not enough of 3M’s global production is coming back to the U.S. In a tweet Thursday evening, U.S. President Donald Trump said the White House “hit 3M hard today after seeing what they were doing with their Masks” and said the company “will have a big price to pay!”

 

And here I am foolishly thinking that that in "The Land of the Free", a company is protected by laws and the constitution to conduct business freely and legally, exporting to any country not being sanctioned. But as usual, Trump has no regard for the constitution where it doesn't serve his needs, and he publicly threatens 3M with "a big price to pay", obviously indicating that they will not be treated in a fair and lawful way unless they do exactly what Trump says.  

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Inn Between

[Crazy Alex]

13 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

Here's a key quote from that article:

 

On Thursday, the Trump administration invoked the Defense Production Act to demand more N95 respirators from 3M, and the White House has cited concerns that not enough of 3M’s global production is coming back to the U.S. In a tweet Thursday evening, U.S. President Donald Trump said the White House “hit 3M hard today after seeing what they were doing with their Masks” and said the company “will have a big price to pay!”

 

And here I am foolishly thinking that that in "The Land of the Free", a company is protected by laws and the constitution to conduct business freely and legally, exporting to any country not being sanctioned. But as usual, Trump has no regard for the constitution where it doesn't serve his needs, and he publicly threatens 3M with "a big price to pay", obviously indicating that they will not be treated in a fair and lawful way unless they do exactly what Trump says.  

 

Defense Production Act

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950

[JackThompson]

The move by Trump to stop the export of masks from the USA, came after the state of Florida had it's 3M orders delayed, due to foreign-buyers showing up and Paying In Cash to take 3M mask shipments which had been allocated to Florida's orders.

[natway09]

A US $100 bill is only as good as what it buys,

After this is all done & dusted we will find the Almighty $ may not have the value it used too.

Trump the man who can take 2 mil US & turn it into1 mil US knows all about that but refuses to learn 

 

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies about WW2, Hitler, Russian Army etc have been removed. 

[honcho]

17 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump = chaos = mismanagement = new enemies making us and the world less safe every day

hes not helping, but its the chinese who started this and they have made the world less safe and bringing out the selfish behaviour we see everywhere around the globe...in supermarkets all the way up to govt level

the world has a new a enemy china and we will be happy to have america on our side!!

[Crazy Alex]

7 hours ago, samran said:

...at the expense of lives.

 

Don't worry, no need to teach me Donald 101.

Yes, lives are always sacrificed. This is news to you? Do you know how many lives the US sacrifices each year to traffic accidents, flu season, medical mistakes? The list goes on and on- and it's not jut in the US.

 

So you're against sacrificing lives. I strongly suggest you scratch at least a millimeter below the surface and understand ridiculous your logic is. Oh, it sounds warm and fuzzy. I'll grant you that. But at some point, you need to face REALITY.

[candide]

7 hours ago, JackThompson said:

The move by Trump to stop the export of masks from the USA, came after the state of Florida had it's 3M orders delayed, due to foreign-buyers showing up and Paying In Cash to take 3M mask shipments which had been allocated to Florida's orders.

Fox News......

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Fox News......

Link?

[simple1]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Link?

As trump has set up a business environment where States complete against each other and international customers what do you expect will happen? In addition US buyers are doing the exact same behaviour in allied countries. No surprise such behaviour will occur is it. trump is in dereliction of his duties to support US citizens and the norm for the US to work in collaboration with allies, rather than compete in times of emergency.

 

BTW, as I'm a good guy???? link below which was accessible in seconds.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-emergency-official-3m-selling-masks-overseas

[RJRS1301]

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually it's been five years of not preparing. From Cuomo not replenishing the ventilator supply to Obama not replenishing the mask supply after his swine flu fiasco, we started out behind the curve.

 

But let's fast forward to recent months. Early on, Democrats downplayed the virus danger. A rational person can read what they said and did and observe the results in the infection rates in states and areas where these same Democrats did worse than nothing. They flat out instructed people to endanger themselves.

 

So pardon me if many of us don't take your outrage seriously.

Your own POTUS said “it’s only the flu, and was then shocked when informed infectivity, he disbanded the pandemic task force, he has had years and done nothing to prepare as many others stop sheeting blame to others.It was he who a few weeks ago said, 15 today none in  few days. Ill prepared unable to listen to advice, 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by RJRS1301

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually it's been five years of not preparing. From Cuomo not replenishing the ventilator supply to Obama not replenishing the mask supply after his swine flu fiasco, we started out behind the curve.

 

But let's fast forward to recent months. Early on, Democrats downplayed the virus danger. A rational person can read what they said and did and observe the results in the infection rates in states and areas where these same Democrats did worse than nothing. They flat out instructed people to endanger themselves.

 

So pardon me if many of us don't take your outrage seriously.

But, but, but....Obama!

 

When all else fails, blame the predecessor.  Trump has been "in charge", as much as a clueless person with no desire to learn can be in charge, for over three years.  The lack of preparedness is on him.

 

South Korea and the US had their first confirmed virus cases at the same time.  Compare South Korea's reaction to ours.

 

Please provide sources for your claim that Democrats downplayed the virus danger so we can compare what they said to what Trump was saying about the virus at that time.

 

I'm observing the infection rates in the Republican governed Florida.  It doesn't look good.  Governor DeSantis, a Trump sycophant, refused to close beaches during spring break.  Watch for virus outbreaks everywhere there are universities in the US.

[car720]

All this greed and self interest and yet the yanks will still end up with more dead than anyone else.  Worth a thought.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

But, but, but....Obama!

 

When all else fails, blame the predecessor.  Trump has been "in charge", as much as a clueless person with no desire to learn can be in charge, for over three years.  The lack of preparedness is on him.

 

South Korea and the US had their first confirmed virus cases at the same time.  Compare South Korea's reaction to ours.

 

Please provide sources for your claim that Democrats downplayed the virus danger so we can compare what they said to what Trump was saying about the virus at that time.

 

I'm observing the infection rates in the Republican governed Florida.  It doesn't look good.  Governor DeSantis, a Trump sycophant, refused to close beaches during spring break.  Watch for virus outbreaks everywhere there are universities in the US.

George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'

 

"You've got to read this," Fran Townsend remembers the president telling her. "He said, 'Look, this happens every 100 years. We need a national strategy.'"

[fasteddie]

True colours, they're no countries friend.

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, fasteddie said:

True colours, they're no countries friend.

3M have released a denial of the alleged siezures at BKK.

[Chomper Higgot]

The essential lesson to learn here is the US is nobody’s ally.

 

’Special Relationship’, ‘level playing fields’, ‘mutual interests’, ‘international cooperation’.

 

All of it thrown to the wind.

[mfd101]

23 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump = chaos = mismanagement = new enemies making us and the world less safe every day

Yes, how to make friends and influence people.

 

The US will come out of the coroner's office &, one day, out of the Trump incompetence a greatly weakened country, with few reliable alliances left, its rivals somewhat strengthened if only in comparative terms. and little or no 'soft power' left. And all its own doing.

 

This from today's 'Australian' newspaper: "Leadership and inspiration in this crisis have come from countries such as Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea. The coronavirus performance of the superpowers has been unimpressive, while smaller, more agile countries with rational politicians and effective bureaucracies have done better.

"Middle powers such as Australia have an interest in supporting international health, security and prosperity. Perhaps in the future we will see more coalitions of the competent."

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

3M have released a denial of the alleged siezures at BKK.

Well of course they have.

[KKr]

thank you investors in US treasuries,
the USA can print more great Chinese dollars to improve its trade balance.
The true nature of the slogan "America First" in practice.

Protectionism at its worst, and the new standard of "soon to be great again"
stab a back or two, be it investors or friendly nations: Great !

[AgMech Cowboy]

So many stories written by AP and Reuters that are taken out of context to push a particular narrative. Therefore, I doubt very much of this story is telling the whole truth and giving the big picture.  More like showing just a few minutes of the Covington Students supposed 'Confrontation' with US native Americans instead of the whole encounter.  We're only going to get the info Reuters wants you to read.

[JackThompson]

 

7 hours ago, candide said:

14 hours ago, JackThompson said:

The move by Trump to stop the export of masks from the USA, came after the state of Florida had it's 3M orders delayed, due to foreign-buyers showing up and Paying In Cash to take 3M mask shipments which had been allocated to Florida's orders.

Fox News......

I am referring to an Interview with the Florida Official in charge of buying medical-supplies - not some "opinion piece" made-up by a talking-head.

 

Given most media-companies are transnational-corporate congomerates, it is ikely, they have the same people on their corporate-boards and/or primary investors as "international" 3M.  Maybe that has something to do with not choosing to cover this story?  Investors protecting their investments would not be a surprise.

 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The essential lesson to learn here is the US is nobody’s ally.

 

’Special Relationship’, ‘level playing fields’, ‘mutual interests’, ‘international cooperation’.

 

All of it thrown to the wind.

No.  The ESSENTIAL thing to learn, is Transnational Corporations are "nobody's ally."  A nation-state's government should endeavor to get it's own citizens the best care, in this situation.  Anything less is treason.

 

2 hours ago, KKr said:

thank you investors in US treasuries,
the USA can print more great Chinese dollars to improve its trade balance.
The true nature of the slogan "America First" in practice.

Protectionism at its worst, and the new standard of "soon to be great again"
stab a back or two, be it investors or friendly nations: Great !

No one forced China to buy US Treasures.  Bummer for them, if we have to deduct the costs of their LIES about this virus from interest-payments, or similar.

 

It was treason to EVER let OUR manufacturing and supply-chains, which We Built From Scratch, to be shifted to China, in the first place - most especially critical supplies, like tech for the military , and medical supplies/drugs.