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UK coronavirus death rate to stay high top medic says, as toll passes 4,300

By Kate Holton and Guy Faulconbridge

 

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A man wearing a protective face mask is seen passing Brixton Station, as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, London, Britain, April 3, 2020. REUTERS/Hannah McKay/Files

 

LONDON (Reuters) - High fatalities from the coronavirus will continue in the United Kingdom for at least another week or two even if people comply with stringent isolation measures, health authorities said on Saturday as the country's death toll jumped to 4,313.

 

The toll went up by 708 in 24 hours, the highest daily rise so far in Britain. A 5-year-old child with an underlying health problem was among the dead, along with at least 40 who had no known previous known conditions.

 

"With great sadness the number of deaths continues to be high," Stephen Powis, the national medical director of the English health service, said at a Downing Street news conference.

 

"Unfortunately that is likely to continue over the next week or two until we get on top and stop this virus," Powis said.

 

The government has put Britain into a widespread shutdown, closing pubs, restaurants and nearly all shops, while ordering people to stay home unless it is absolutely essential to venture out.

 

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove repeatedly declined to say when the lockdown could be lifted but said it would depend on whether people adhered to the stringent rules.

 

The lockdown began nearly two weeks ago, with a pledge to review the measures after three weeks.

 

"If we relax our adherence to the rules we increase the risk for others," he said, offering his condolences to the family of the 5-year-old.

 

Britain initially took a restrained approach on tactics to curb the spread but Prime Minister Boris Johnson changed tack and imposed stringent social-distancing measures after modelling showed a quarter of a million people in the country could die.

 

Johnson has himself been in self-isolation after testing positive for the novel coronavirus. His pregnant fiancee, Carrie Symonds, said on Twitter she had spent the past week in bed with symptoms but was now feeling better.

 

"I’ve spent the past week in bed with the main symptoms of Coronavirus. I haven’t needed to be tested and, after seven days of rest, I feel stronger and I’m on the mend," Symonds said.

 

LENGTH OF LOCKDOWN

 

Countries around the world are grappling with tens of thousands of coronavirus deaths and more than a million cases.

But the massive efforts to contain the spread have virtually stalled the economy and some have started to question if a global depression will cost more lives in the long run.

 

British health officials have said the peak of the deaths could come on Easter Sunday, April 12, and Powis told a news conference that new cases had stabilised in recent days.

 

Hospital admissions also plateaued in London, the epicentre of the British outbreak, while increasing in the Midlands and the north west of England. As of 0800 GMT on Saturday, some 41,903 people had tested positive out of a total of 183,190 people tested.

 

Neil Ferguson, a government adviser and professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College London, said the lockdown was unlikely to be lifted until the end of May.

 

"We want to move to a situation where at least by the end of May we're able to substitute some less intensive measures, more based on technology and testing, for the complete lockdown we have now," he told BBC Radio.

 

However a second government adviser, the chief pandemic modeller Graham Medley, said he feared Britain had painted itself into a corner, with no clear exit from a strategy that would damage the economic and mental well-being of many people.

 

Almost one million people have applied for welfare benefits in just two weeks in Britain. Some major investment banks have cautioned that the world economy is set for the worst contraction since World War Two.

 

"In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?" Medley said.

 

(Reporting by Kate Holton; Editing by Angus MacSwan and Frances Kerry)

 

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Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.

 

Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.

 

Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.

 

 

 

There were some medical experts that did, hence the changed tack. Hopefully folks will now realize sacrifices will be needed to avoid the worst of all possible outcomes..

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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.

 

Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.

 

 

 


 

The widely touted figure is 20,000. I believe that a health ministry spokesperson said less than 20,000 deaths would be a “good result”.

 

I own a crematorium so I am aware that within the cremation industry those sort of numbers are being factored into current planning.

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25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.

 

Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.

 

 

 

The UK is not following a 'herd immunity' strategy. It is now following a suppression strategy, which is largely based on social distancing.

 

The social distancing strategy is a monumental failure.

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.

 

Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.

 

 

 

It is easy to predict with a near shutdown, it looks like the rate of deaths is starting to level off, but basically all we have done is put a tuiniqua on and if we we do not keep a tight grip on it the number will hemorrhage again. 

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42 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You just can't please everyone. Done things to quickly/slowly. Not doing enough, doing to much. No matter what people will complain.

 

Many people should take more responsibility themselves and not look at everyone else for blame.

Conversely, observing the government embarking on Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment, his U-turn in the face of criticism from a whole bunch of health experts and the undeniable fact that his failed experiment has resulted in the virus spreading unhindered in the population.

 

Yeh, I know you just can’t please everyone.

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92% of people who have died from coronavirus in the UK are over 60.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/coronavirus-deaths-age-uk-12506448/

Couldn’t the lockdown be restricted to over-60s (& also under-60s with pre-existing conditions) allowing everyone else to get back to work? This would create herd immunity amongst the healthiest sector of the population. Those stuck at home could be incentivised to stay in by being given free broadband, free food deliveries, etc. In return they would have to agree to being monitored to ensure they comply. 

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6 minutes ago, happydays said:

92% of people who have died from coronavirus in the UK are over 60.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/coronavirus-deaths-age-uk-12506448/

Couldn’t the lockdown be restricted to over-60s (& also under-60s with pre-existing conditions) allowing everyone else to get back to work? This would create herd immunity amongst the healthiest sector of the population. Those stuck at home could be incentivised to stay in by being given free broadband, free food deliveries, etc. In return they would have to agree to being monitored to ensure they comply. 

Johnson tried this, it failed.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Conversely, observing the government embarking on Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment, his U-turn in the face of criticism from a whole bunch of health experts and the undeniable fact that his failed experiment has resulted in the virus spreading unhindered in the population.

 

Yeh, I know you just can’t please everyone.

You do realize that he was following advice of experts who supported herd immunity. He did not make the decision without reason, which is what you appear to be claiming. You should be blaming the experts that recommended that direction.  

 

Only later, with further input from more experts, was the decision made to change tack. Again, a decision made on the advice of experts. 

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10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson tried this, it failed.

 

 

Johnson tried this for the entire population hence the estimate of 250,000 deaths. Restricting the lockdown to the most vulnerable would be far less damaging.

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