Covid-19 death rate in Thailand averages 0.97 per cent

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Covid-19 death rate in Thailand averages 0.97 per cent

 

 

The death rate of Covid-19 in Thailand is quite low at an average of 0.97 per cent of total patients, Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman of the government's Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said on Sunday (April 5).

 

The Ministry of Public Health said that all the 20 people who had died as of Saturday (April 4) were Thais and their ages ranged between 35 and 84 years.

 

They included 18 men and two women.

 

The data showed that most of them also carried diabetes (50 per cent of cases), high blood pressure (35 per cent), chronic kidney disease (15 per cent), dyslipidemia (15 per cent), besides heart disease, chronic lung disease, tuberculosis, and cancer.

 

The risk factors which made them vulnerable to the infection were going to a boxing stadium (5), travelling abroad (5), working in crowded areas (5), close contact (2), entertainment venues (1), hospital (1), being in a crowded area (1).

As on April 4, 18 out of 1,124 total male patients died (1.6 per cent death rate) and two out of 874 female patients died (0.2 per cent death rate), while there is no information about 69 cases.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30385448

 

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[Thaiwrath]

8 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The death rate of Covid-19 in Thailand is quite low at an average of 0.97 per cent of total patients,

This only for people actually diagnosed as having the virus, after being actually tested, which is not a true figure.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Thaiwrath

[keith101]

Australia has 5,687 confirmed cases to date and 35 have died , the current mortality rate is 0.62% much lower than Thailand even with well over 4,000 more cases .

[cornishcarlos]

2 minutes ago, keith101 said:

Australia has 5,687 confirmed cases to date and 35 have died , the current mortality rate is 0.62% much lower than Thailand even with well over 4,000 more cases .

 

The actual mortality rate is even lower, as there are guaranteed to be a lot more un-diagnosed cases out there...

[Soikhaonoiken]

The figures are low, but the figures on testing are low, so what would the real figure be if you did mass testing. ????

[UbonThani]

5 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

The actual mortality rate is even lower, as there are guaranteed to be a lot more un-diagnosed cases out there...

Yes half that. Maybe less.

 

 

[Thailand]

So is the mortality rate so low because of the lack of testing or despite of the lack of testing？

[cornishcarlos]

27 minutes ago, Thailand said:

So is the mortality rate so low because of the lack of testing or despite of the lack of testing？

 

More testing doesn't mean more deaths, so the mortality rate can only get lower with more testing... 

More lock down time might however mean more deaths, just not directly attributable to the virus !!!

[exparte]

The death rate due to economic disparity caused from the loss of employment will surpass the Total Number of confirmed Covid-19 cases. There are 10 Mill people not covered by any government safety net.

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, exparte said:

The death rate due to economic disparity caused from the loss of employment will surpass the Total Number of confirmed Covid-19 cases. There are 10 Mill people not covered by any government safety net.

The death rate is what it is because of all the measures taken . if  measures were relaxed it could be a different story. 

[ParkerN]

Well, to be more accurate, 0.97% of reported infections turn out to be fatal.

 

I and a number of other people think that the government has deliberately under-tested and under-reported for cosmetic purposes.

 

Which make any statistics they produce worthless. Better to adopt the global numbers. Not all countries are the same.

 

 

[sezze]

There are different strains around of Covid , 1 being more deadly then the other . Many countries in Europe seem to have the more deadly strain , since death rate Spain / Italy / France / Belgium / Netherlands / UK / ...  now around 10% . While others in Europe ( and world ) got very low death rate . I take Europe as example since all countries next to each other , and healthcare / counting / measures taken are more or less same ( yes i know , not all the same ) . Is this the case also i Thailand , idk , but i expect it is like that , otherwise the hospitals would already be overwhelmed or have deaths everywhere , even if they not counted as Covid .

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, sezze said:

There are different strains around of Covid , 1 being more deadly then the other . Many countries in Europe seem to have the more deadly strain , since death rate Spain / Italy / France / Belgium / Netherlands / UK / ...  now around 10% . While others in Europe ( and world ) got very low death rate . I take Europe as example since all countries next to each other , and healthcare / counting / measures taken are more or less same ( yes i know , not all the same ) . Is this the case also i Thailand , idk , but i expect it is like that , otherwise the hospitals would already be overwhelmed or have deaths everywhere , even if they not counted as Covid .

 

Optimism is grand, but realism is generally the better path. One should ask which approach resembles the default position in Thailand...

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

how does any country put out reliable statistics at this point?

 

 

if testing is unreliable, then carriers can test negative, and uninfected test positive.  the error rate with some of the tests is equivalent to flipping a coin.

 

even if the tests were 100% reliable, not everyone is tested, so there would be thousands of active cases not included in the totals.

 

not all dead are tested, and even then, does a positive test automatically go into the covid death statistics regardless of the circumstances?

[Brigand]

Considering the lamentable and slow response of the authorities here then the fatality rate should be much worse with people dropping dead in the streets and hospitals over-run. This hasn't happened for some reason and it is not by design. There must be some truth in the heat/humidity theory and the fact that most people here are wearing masks plus social distancing etc. Otherwise it should be a disaster considering the local authorities basically ignored all sensible advice and let Chinese tourists in for way longer than they should have. Yes, testing is half-arsed here but the affects should be much more visible here and they wouldn't be able to just sweep it under the carpet either. Somehow, they have dodged the bullet ... more luck than anything else as the locals should be dropping like flies by now but it hasn't happened.

[cyril sneer]

5 hours ago, Thailand said:

So is the mortality rate so low because of the lack of testing or despite of the lack of testing？

testing

[bangkokfrog]

6 hours ago, keith101 said:

Australia has 5,687 confirmed cases to date and 35 have died , the current mortality rate is 0.62% much lower than Thailand even with well over 4,000 more cases .

I read somewhere that Australia has the best testing rate in the world, with over 1,000 tested per 100,000 population. This is obviously one reason the death rate is so low. For Thailand that would require 600,000 tests. Anyone know the true Thai figures, or is this another secret in the interest of "national security"?

Edited April 5, 2020 by bangkokfrog

[sezze]

 

9 minutes ago, bangkokfrog said:

I read somewhere that Australia has the best testing rate in the world, with over 1,000 tested per 100,000 population. This is obviously one reason the death rate is so low. For Thailand that would require 600,000 tests. Anyone know the true Thai figures, or is it another secret in the interest of "national security"?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1-sX77RQsi5L8WuitD1Phb2_8_h1IPSQLkWaeUYST6ICTzdWRs96VtUDs

Tested nrs are now included if the country gives out the official nr . Australia is not nr 1 , in fact not nr 10 either , at 11650/1million .

 

The nrs to look out for are the amount of deaths , this year vs other years .  I just have read that Netherlands last week of March had 3892 deaths , which is roughly 1000 more then other years same period . 2 days before i have read about France , and i think there was also increase of about 20-25% extra deaths . Those deaths are all deaths , including corona / flu / accidents / heart attack .... , counted or not counted as Covid is nice for statistics , and to learn something from them , but the real amount of deaths is this nr to look out for .

[sniggie]

1 hour ago, sezze said:

There are different strains around of Covid , 1 being more deadly then the other . Many countries in Europe seem to have the more deadly strain , since death rate Spain / Italy / France / Belgium / Netherlands / UK

I really do hope that this is incorrect. It would raise the question as to how two strains appeared at the same time from the (possibly) same wet market in Wuhan. Maybe the virus mutates on long-haul flights!

 

When the crisis is over and international scientists complete a full investigation into all aspects of this pandemic I sincerely hope that the variations in the infection rates in various continents is found to be due to to previous exposure to similar corona-type viruses in the past in places like Asia or, perhaps, other existing resistance such as the Asians' relative immunity to malaria. The possibility that developed nations were somehow 'seeded' with a more virulent strain of the virus would raise questions that I, for one, really don't want to contemplate. 

[Blumpie]

Eventually the death rate will tell us a fair bit.  

Unless they are covering that up too.

Many countries aren't testing enough.  There simply aren't enough on earth, so no conspiracy theory here.  

Time will tell if it's multiplying like crazy or isn't.  Hope it's the latter.  

[bangkokfrog]

33 minutes ago, sezze said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1-sX77RQsi5L8WuitD1Phb2_8_h1IPSQLkWaeUYST6ICTzdWRs96VtUDs

Tested nrs are now included if the country gives out the official nr . Australia is not nr 1 , in fact not nr 10 either , at 11650/1million .

 

The nrs to look out for are the amount of deaths , this year vs other years .  I just have read that Netherlands last week of March had 3892 deaths , which is roughly 1000 more then other years same period . 2 days before i have read about France , and i think there was also increase of about 20-25% extra deaths . Those deaths are all deaths , including corona / flu / accidents / heart attack .... , counted or not counted as Covid is nice for statistics , and to learn something from them , but the real amount of deaths is this nr to look out for .

Interesting point of view.

 

As an aside, and hypothetically speaking of course, if I was living in a country full of undisciplined people where the health system was likely to be swamped with Covid-19 cases, would it be better to deliberately expose oneself to the virus early to get treatment when ICU beds, ventilators, etc. are more likely to be available? Just wondering!

Edited April 5, 2020 by bangkokfrog

[4MyEgo]

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The data showed that most of them also carried diabetes (50 per cent of cases), high blood pressure (35 per cent), chronic kidney disease (15 per cent), dyslipidemia (15 per cent), besides heart disease, chronic lung disease, tuberculosis, and cancer.

So of the 20 deceased, 10 had pre-existing conditions which is a basically a death sentence if your unlucky enough to get Covid-19.

 

Not good news for those of us who have pre-existing condition/s.

 

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

close contact (2)

Not going anywhere and not allowing any visitors

 

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

travelling abroad (5)

Highly unlikely for at least a year

 

Just got to stay in as much as possible and wait for a vaccine, i.e. if it will give us (those with pre-existing conditions) a break to go back to a normal life.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

56 minutes ago, bangkokfrog said:

Interesting point of view.

 

As an aside, and hypothetically speaking of course, if I was living in a country full of undisciplined people where the health system was likely to be swamped with Covid-19 cases, would it be better to deliberately expose oneself to the virus early to get treatment when ICU beds, ventilators, etc. are more likely to be available? Just wondering!

An interesting point - Expose yourself early... Either you are ok, or if not ok, you have access to ICU / Respirator etc  as the healthcare system is not yet overwhelmed. 

 

Another view point: 

You have a bowl which contains 100 M&M’s. 10 of them will make you quite unwell (strong flu symptoms), 1 of them will kill you.

 

Would you gamble and take one M&M ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sezze]

1 hour ago, sniggie said:

I really do hope that this is incorrect. It would raise the question as to how two strains appeared at the same time from the (possibly) same wet market in Wuhan. Maybe the virus mutates on long-haul flights!

 

When the crisis is over and international scientists complete a full investigation into all aspects of this pandemic I sincerely hope that the variations in the infection rates in various continents is found to be due to to previous exposure to similar corona-type viruses in the past in places like Asia or, perhaps, other existing resistance such as the Asians' relative immunity to malaria. The possibility that developed nations were somehow 'seeded' with a more virulent strain of the virus would raise questions that I, for one, really don't want to contemplate. 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

This is mentioned already multiple times , you can look on internet about the different strains around . Apparently , there are now many more strains around also , due to slight mutations . Mutation grade however does appear to be low according to scientists ( which is a good thing for finding long working vaccin ) . They do not have to be appeared at the same time , as mutations happen all the time , same like new virus breakouts happen 365 days a year . Most of the time luckily they are harmless and even if not so harmless , it is 1 person only infected . This time the virus made a few lucky streaks , getting the right mutation in the right place ( busy place , multimillion city ) and having a high spread rate . When it was under control in China , some hospital in Italy made a mistake ( could have happened everywhere and was bound to happen ) to get the secondary outbreak in holiday season in wintersports area . This way it spread easy all over Europe and also to US .

[lkv]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Just got to stay in as much as possible and wait for a vaccine, i.e. if it will give us (those with pre-existing conditions) a break to go back to a normal life.

You planning to not go out for 2 years?

 

Well, if it works for you...

 

Remember, there's another peak estimated in autumn, the way I see it is, either you get it in April, or you get it whenever you finally get bored and get out of the house.

 

Mental health is equally important, some jump off balconies in some cases, which has quite a predictable outcome.

Edited April 5, 2020 by lkv

[KhaoNiaw]

45 minutes ago, lkv said:

Remember, there's another peak estimated in autumn, the way I see it is, either you get it in April, or you get it whenever you finally get bored and get out of the house.

You could get it again. How long any immunity may last is a complete unknown. It could only be a few months if you only get a mild case first time round. 

[Blumpie]

23 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

You could get it again. How long any immunity may last is a complete unknown. It could only be a few months if you only get a mild case first time round. 

That's scary.

[bangkokfrog]

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

An interesting point - Expose yourself early... Either you are ok, or if not ok, you have access to ICU / Respirator etc  as the healthcare system is not yet overwhelmed. 

 

Another view point: 

You have a bowl which contains 100 M&M’s. 10 of them will make you quite unwell (strong flu symptoms), 1 of them will kill you.

 

Would you gamble and take one M&M ?

Depends how you look at it. If I eat an M&M NOW, there is a 1% chance that it will kill me. If leave it to later and there are no ICU facilities available, there will be a 10% chance that I will die. Just as well I am not a gambling frog.

Edited April 5, 2020 by bangkokfrog

[4MyEgo]

5 hours ago, lkv said:

You planning to not go out for 2 years?

 

Well, if it works for you...

 

Remember, there's another peak estimated in autumn, the way I see it is, either you get it in April, or you get it whenever you finally get bored and get out of the house.

 

Mental health is equally important, some jump off balconies in some cases, which has quite a predictable outcome.

Perhaps you didn't understand, a pre-existing condition with Covid-19 is death, so one has to avoid it if one wants to live, fortunately for me, I planned my retirement well and built a very big house which is also nicely isolated so is cool throughout the day and I have enjoyed being in it 24/7 90% of my time here since 2015.

 

Bored I am not, I have a gym, Netflix, a wife who I enjoy company with, kids that keep us busy, internet and I like doing the odd job around the place, so if I feel bored, they I can go for a drive.

 

I didn't work all my life to not enjoy the fruits of my labor by allowing a virus take me out early, i.e. if I can keep out of it's path until a vaccine arrives, be it 2, 3, 4, 5 years for that matter.

 

In the meantime I will enjoy my mornings sitting on the front porch taking in that not so fresh air for a few years yet.

[casey1]

1 m&m will kill you only if you are pretty much one foot in the grave already... and if not Corona virus it could well be the flu or another minor issue that is the last straw that breaks the camels back and takes you out

Unfair as that is ... charles darwin got it right.....some of us were always destined to have unequal bites at life.... die early from cancer or knocked over by a bus....

Corona is a nasty little virus but unfortunately it has been hitch-hiked/ used by politics modern media social media and those individuals companies and  countries pushing things untenable under normal everyday living...

But korea.... most tested country.....people get your head out your bums.... western countries are not leaders in testing or control...they are reaping from the seeds they have sown....health systems not coping because of privatisation or incompetent management... I use NZ as an example where in the last 30 years administration staff in the public free hospitals have increased  to three times number of doctors and nurses.... how the hell can you justify that number of paper shufflers...... anyways korea... go look at their stats.... use your brain and decimate the knowledge from the bs..people relax unless you live a highrisk lifestyle you gonna be ok or just plain unlucky or one of the unfortunates..