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9 minutes ago, Abmong said:

WHO and everyone has already backtracked on that. Everyone should be wearing face masks

Yes and that's good, but the 100% enforcement in a hot climate is not so good. Once the masks get wet from sweat, their effectiveness drops dramatically. I was taking mine off in the fresh air and avoiding people by some distance, but then on again, if inside. And obviously then, I have to be really careful with my handling as I had been, but now that option has gone 😞

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13 minutes ago, joe jadore said:

Allow the sale of hydroxchloroquine and azithromycin in pharmacies! Hydroxychloroqune is a "OLD" and trusted anti Malaria medicine, its safe/cheap, unless your massively obese and have a heart problem. Its a prophylactic, think condom you sex crazed ex pats, ie; it protects you from catching COVID-19. USA is starting to realize this!!! France, Italy, South Korea and supposedly China are now using this stuff and it's working. 

Thai Gov, let us buy it, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain! Your infected and death figures are thankfully very low. Improve on that with HydroxC.

That's what Trump is peddling and his own advisor Dr Fauci is not supporting... I'm more inclined to believe the good Doctor over Trump.

No one, not France, not China are saying it works, quite the opposite, even Thailand's own medical study found it has no effect other than as a placebo. You're better off drinking hot lime juice with no sugar... Cheaper too.

 

Besides faith in Trump? We don't do that here.

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1 minute ago, Abmong said:

That's what Trump is peddling and his own advisor Dr Fauci is not supporting... I'm more inclined to believe the good Doctor over Trump.

No one, not France, not China are saying it works, quite the opposite, even Thailand's own medical study found it has no effect other than as a placebo. You're better off drinking hot lime juice with no sugar... Cheaper too.

 

Besides faith in Trump? We don't do that here.

 

There seems no clear evidence that Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine is an effective therapy and it can have nasty side effects.  The same is true of the existing anti-virals including HIV treatments that have been touted in Thailand. Azithromycin is just a broad spectrum antibiotic which is known to have some effect on some viruses.  Its side effects are much less than the other suggested treatments and it can also help prevent opportunistic bacterial infections, e.g. bacterial pneumonia, which is what killed most of the Spanish Flu victims, from adding to patients' woes.

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There are no accurate numbers. Anywhere, not just for Thailand.

Myriad reasons why not, including this from Dr. John Lee writing at the Spectator (March 29):
"there is no international standard method for attributing or recording causes of death. Also, normally, most respiratory deaths never have a specific infective cause recorded, whereas at the moment one can expect all positive Covid-19 results associated with a death to be recorded. Again, this is not splitting hairs. Imagine a population where more and more of us have already had Covid-19, and where every ill and dying patient is tested for the virus. The deaths apparently due to Covid-19, the Covid trajectory, will approach the overall death rate. It would appear that all deaths were caused by Covid-19 – would this be true? No. The severity of the epidemic would be indicated by how many extra deaths (above normal) there were overall"

 

Does anyone have recent death stats <from all causes> for Thailand? 

 

Pooled number of deaths for Europe are here:
https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html

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35 minutes ago, Abmong said:

WHO and everyone has already backtracked on that. 

Lie 

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4 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

Will the soldiers "shoot to kill" anyone not wearing a face-mask??????

One did a little while ago!

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2 hours ago, Allset said:

According to one newspaper in Bangkok it is the entire country but I don’t think they’re enforcing it because deliveries are still getting made late at night. Although it is better to order during the day before 8PM. Correction I don’t think they’re enforcing it up here. I don’t know about other cities though. 

deliveries to supermarkets etc. are considered essential services and exempt. or do you just mean newspapers? Just found this more informative picture:EUwEfEXUUAA1LIo?format=jpg&name=medium

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3 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

They are not accurate, i'd imagine if 1,000 reported = 10,000 real, its been spreading in Thailand since the very early days, but has been neither too hot, nor too cold, (OR DRY), my perception is, Thailand is a sweet spot, it continues to spread, but you see less real impact (deaths, serious cases), also the locals are very 'hardy', i know three builders (left for their home province) were down with it, they just carried on like normal, whilst spluttering away behind their makeshift masks, and this was two weeks ago. 


 

they admit too 25000 tests in total in 3 months - that says it all really 

 

That is about 3+ days testing in the west 

 

Yes the figures in Thailand are accurate but the real issue is why are they not testing to any level worth a (deleted) - because they don't want real picture revealed - only what they want to be seen  

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3 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

How can you tell if there are no covid19 cases?Just curious as how you can tell by just looking or if you have access to medical records?

like many others posting on here they are expecting sick people to be in a hospital here - they obviously aren't grasping what happens here when someone reports they are ill with a fever - they are ordered to go home and deal with it

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Just back from Lotus. Probably the busiest I have seen it since the start of all this.

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2 hours ago, johnarth said:

In the part of Thai. there I live there is no sign  of the virus

you realise you'd need an electron microscope to see it 

 

How do you know every village every house you pass doesn't have ill people suffering - open your eyes dude - by their own admission 25000 tests in 3 months is a joke

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8 minutes ago, w94005m said:

Yes and that's good, but the 100% enforcement in a hot climate is not so good. Once the masks get wet from sweat, their effectiveness drops dramatically. I was taking mine off in the fresh air and avoiding people by some distance, but then on again, if inside. And obviously then, I have to be really careful with my handling as I had been, but now that option has gone 😞

A lot of Bangkokians already wore masks for pollution, it may not be the right sorts of masks but at least it was some protection if not optimal. Plus, as soon as news broke about Wuhan, Despite early Thai government inaction, Thailand was still doing more than Europe or the US were. SARS was still fresh in Asian/SE Asian minds. BKK Thais began wearing medical masks early in spite of what WHO was saying at the time. And Thais are gossip Queens and hyperparanoid about diseases, knows from experience governments can't/won't do a good job protecting them so are proactive about protecting themselves. So in BKK at least, masks wear adopted by alot of people very fast unlike in Europe. Ofc there are idiots walking around thinking they're invincible, or the working poor who did know any better... But every country has those to one degree or another.

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30 minutes ago, Arkady said:

 

There seems no clear evidence that Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine is an effective therapy and it can have nasty side effects.  The same is true of the existing anti-virals including HIV treatments that have been touted in Thailand. Azithromycin is just a broad spectrum antibiotic which is known to have some effect on some viruses.  Its side effects are much less than the other suggested treatments and it can also help prevent opportunistic bacterial infections, e.g. bacterial pneumonia, which is what killed most of the Spanish Flu victims, from adding to patients' woes.

No arguments there. but from my unprofessional medical knowledge... The HIV treatments that were used were ones that boosted the immune system in general thereby having at least some efficacy in helping to fight the virus in lieu of an anti-viral that's actually effective against COVID-19.

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31 minutes ago, smedly said:

like many others posting on here they are expecting sick people to be in a hospital here - they obviously aren't grasping what happens here when someone reports they are ill with a fever - they are ordered to go home and deal with it

Most countries are doing this, basically, if you are unwell and have covid like symptoms, stay at home, self isolate and only call for help if it becomes essential.

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