PM Johnson moved to intensive care as COVID-19 symptoms worsen

[Wiggy]

13 minutes ago, faraday said:

 

 

Can some of us please stop trying to be right, & less combative.

 

Please note my use of italics.

Noted.

[Forethat]

Just now, Logosone said:

donnacha called it right from the minute it was announced he was admitted to hospital.

 

Congratulations on an excellent analysis which was confirmed only a day later by the news.

 

Very impressive analytic insight.

No he didn't. He guessed. And he guessed wrong. 

 

He claimed that the reason they didn't bring a ventilator and a team of carers to No. 10 was that they would have a leak. That was wrong.

Then he claimed that he "had to be in the ICU". That was wrong. He was admitted to the ICU at 18:00 (three hours AFTER donnacha claimed he was already there). So he was wrong there too.

He claimed that he was "almost certainly already on a ventilator". That was wrong too.

 

Three wrong out of three. But that's the nature of guessing without having any real info...

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Logosone said:

donnacha called it right from the minute it was announced he was admitted to hospital.

 

Congratulations on an excellent analysis which was confirmed only a day later by the news.

 

Very impressive analytic insight.

And how many points do you think he should get for that?

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, Forethat said:

No he didn't. He guessed. And he guessed wrong. 

 

He claimed that the reason they didn't bring a ventilator and a team of carers to No. 10 was that they would have a leak. That was wrong.

Then he claimed that he "had to be in the ICU". That was wrong. He was admitted to the ICU at 18:00 (three hours AFTER donnacha claimed he was already there). So he was wrong there too.

He claimed that he was "almost certainly already on a ventilator". That was wrong too.

 

Three wrong out of three. But that's the nature of guessing without having any real info...

Take a break. You'll make yourself sick.

[UbonThani]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, age is the overriding factor in deaths. But that risk is compounded by various pre-existing conditions and lessened by the lack of them:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Your immune system plus lungs weaken with age.

 

The car gets tired.

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Take a break. You'll make yourself sick.

In case you're interested - you're wrong.

[donnacha]

33 minutes ago, Forethat said:

No he didn't. He guessed. And he guessed wrong. 

Give over.

Saying the same thing, over and over, does not distract people from the reality that is right in front of them.

People on this thread asked us to stop arguing, so I respected that while you rolled on for a few more posts. Why are you now continuing the argument, hours later, via another member's post?
 

 

33 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Three wrong out of three. But that's the nature of guessing without having any real info...

I realized, a few pages ago, that you simply do not understand the distinction between informed speculation and fact. The former is useful when no one is being provided with the latter. Speculation, conducted with due respect for the tragedy unfolding before us, is entirely legitimate and an important tool in understanding the world. 80% of discussion on forums is speculation.

From the start, I made it clear that I was speculating, and provided my full reasoning. You could have, if you had the ability, put forth a different theory, and it might well have been a more credible theory than mine. But you didn't. Instead you completely misunderstood what I was doing and attacked me for spreading lies. It was like watching a clown jettisoned into a debating chamber.

Well, what I said would happen happened, probably for the reasons I outlined. And, at that point, where anyone else would beat an embarrassed retreat, you continued to attack with your big rubber hammer, tone deaf to the situation and heedless of the many requests that you stop.

You only seem to have one mode, attack. I'm astonished to see you being rude even to people who have been broadly supportive of you in this thread, such as @faraday and @nauseus. This is not how to win friends and influence people. I have no idea what is wrong with you. Let me know if you need to talk privately.

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by donnacha

[tifino]

18 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, age is the overriding factor in deaths. But that risk is compounded by various pre-existing conditions and lessened by the lack of them:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Your immune system plus lungs weaken with age.

 

The car gets tired.

... even more so, the Inner Tubes

[stupidfarang]

donnacha and Forthat

 

Time to stop with the tit for tat posts, agree to disagree and move on. Please put your energy into wishing the best for all people with coronavirus regardless of what polictical party, they belong to. Thanking you both in advance 

[donnacha]

7 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

Time to stop with the tit for tat posts, agree to disagree and move on.

I was saying that hours ago, and was the only one to stand down, while he kept raving.

Now, simply because another member had the temerity to kindly praise my analysis, he fires it up again. He has little credibility but, if I am being unilaterally slandered, I have every right to point out how unhinged that behavior is.

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by donnacha

[donnacha]

5 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Why the fuss, a 55 year old man goes to ICU, nobody is irreplaceable.

Everyone is freaked out because the Labour Party has sneakily gone and selected a leader who might actually be electable.

 

[metisdead]

Some callous and controversial posts and replies have been removed. 

 

Some more tit for tat bickering posts and replies have been removed, if this session continues, members will be suspended to put a stop to this.  Now, back on topic please. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Nice try at deflectin. It's true that sharecropper's comments were overly harsh. But clearly you are disregarding the crucial point. Despite the advice given by the experts, advice he had particular access to, he chose to go against their recommendations. Not only did he endanger himself, but by publicizing his foolish behavior, he undoubtedly encouraged partisans of himself to do likewise. How many additional people have endangered themselves because of his performance? He deserves to be condemned for his conduct. He does not deserve to die.

I completely agree, I was not trying to deflect anything.  I was trying to explain, that no matter what, and no matter how stupid people are, they are to be given medical treatment.  However, when a hospital facility is overrun and they have to use the triage method, then  and only then are people singles out and not given treatment so that others who are less critical can be given that treatment in order to save them instead of them getting to the next stage where they would be classified as non-treatable.  So nice try.....Was he ignorant and acting irresponsible, yes he was and yes he did.  Does he not deserve treatment and the use of a medical facility, Yes he does deserve treatment.  You (meaning anybody) may not like the man, but to wish someone ill will is just plain mean spirited.

[Logosone]

48 minutes ago, Forethat said:

No he didn't. He guessed. And he guessed wrong. 

 

He claimed that the reason they didn't bring a ventilator and a team of carers to No. 10 was that they would have a leak. That was wrong.

Then he claimed that he "had to be in the ICU". That was wrong. He was admitted to the ICU at 18:00 (three hours AFTER donnacha claimed he was already there). So he was wrong there too.

He claimed that he was "almost certainly already on a ventilator". That was wrong too.

 

Three wrong out of three. But that's the nature of guessing without having any real info...

I read the first thread.

 

Donnacha correctly stated that Boris would be delivered to the ICU and that his situation was more serious than we all thought. This, before it was confirmed in the news.

 

This was purely on analytical insight. It was pretty impressive.

[nauseus]

Jesus H

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I read the first thread.

 

Donnacha correctly stated that Boris would be delivered to the ICU and that his situation was more serious than we all thought. This, before it was confirmed in the news.

 

This was purely on analytical insight. It was pretty impressive.

More like........

[samran]

2 hours ago, Forethat said:

Incorrect. The actual criteria for referral to ICU doesn't have anything to do with whether your life is in danger. In fact, you should be referred to ICU well before that.

Well it has something to do with it. As well as the judging the possibility of the patent recovering - speaking as someone who had to make the call about putting a person into ICU based on doctors advice.

 

Anyway, a sobering video.

 

 

 

 

[bert bloggs]

Whether you like him or not ,pray he gets better ,or the pound will tank further.

[Forethat]

23 minutes ago, samran said:

Well it has something to do with it. As well as the judging the possibility of the patent recovering - speaking as someone who had to make the call about putting a person into ICU based on doctors advice.

 

Anyway, a sobering video.

 

 

 

 

This video is incorrect. She claims that when you're admitted to an ICU you've crashed and you're put on a ventilator. That is not true. You are brought to an ICU well before that so that your respiratory function as well as vital organs can be monitored and so that you can receive the care required in case your condition deteriorates. That CAN include a ventilator. I have previously posted stats here that shows the percentage of people admitted vs. patients put on a ventilator (or even admitted to an ICU).

 

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by Forethat

[New beginnings]

I wish Boris no ill and hopes he makes a full recovery. However if his illness becomes drawn out and he is unable to resume his position as Prime Minister this does allow for the opportunity to finally get rid of Dominic Cummings.

 

I have never understood Boris’s blind loyalty to this odious individual and I suspect I am not the only person in the U.K., particularly in the government, who would also be pleased to see him gone.

 

In the meantime I extend my best wishes go to Boris, Carrie and there unborn child.

Edited April 7, 2020 by New beginnings

[Logosone]

Would the hospital even disclose if Boris is on a ventilator?

 

Maybe they would keep that confidential.

[Stargeezr]

Reading 2 posters going at each other like two 4 year olds, gets tiring.

Geezer

[metisdead]

Some more posts have been removed. 

[Pravda]

Hang in there BOJO!

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Wiggy said:

Noted.

Doubly Noted

[smedly]

this is quite serious - there are reports that the survival rate once someone requires assistance breathing is quite low, in fact there is even debate about use of ventilators - some senior medics are almost questioning their use 

 

get well soon Boris - most of the British people are routing for you - some with misguided sinister intent are not

[sammieuk1]

Note for some uniforms this virus is no respecter of money and power good luck Boris your country needs you ???? 

[JAG]

1 hour ago, donnacha said:

I was saying that hours ago, and was the only one to stand down, while he kept raving.

Now, simply because another member had the temerity to kindly praise my analysis, he fires it up again. He has little credibility but, if I am being unilaterally slandered, I have every right to point out how unhinged that behavior is.

 

Christ on a bike - you're not being slandered, someone is daring to disagree with you. It happens, and no-one will think the less of you for that. However, if the two of you subject us to the petty, venal bickering that we have had sit through for the last few hours that will soon change, if it has not already, for the pair of you.

 

This thread is about the serious (possibly life threatening) illness of a senior UK politician, the prime minister. He also is a father, and a human being. Whether our interests are vicarious, partisan or concern, I doubt any of us wish to sit through any more of this willy waving!

 

Give it a break, please!

[FarFlungFalang]

27 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Would the hospital even disclose if Boris is on a ventilator?

 

Maybe they would keep that confidential.

Confidential medical information is none of our business.Boris may not have taken this virus seriously but the virus is taking Boris seriously.I just like the way he wears his hair.

[samran]

42 minutes ago, Forethat said:

This video is incorrect. She claims that when you're admitted to an ICU you've crashed and you're put on a ventilator. That is not true. You are brought to an ICU well before that so that your respiratory function as well as vital organs can be monitored and so that you can receive the care required in case your condition deteriorates. That CAN include a ventilator. I have previously posted stats here that shows the percentage of people admitted vs. patients put on a ventilator (or even admitted to an ICU).

 

 

Do you get accused of mansplaining much by chance?

 

heres the CV of the panelist, a respiratory  doctor looking after Covid patients 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/dr-lucy-morgan/12115404