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Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works


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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:
1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

hint;  many medicines are legally available without a prescription in thailand and many other countries.

 

hint; what they decided to do was based upon the consensus from thousands of doctors worldwide that are treating covid 19 patients

 

doctors themselves are advocating same for themselves and family members.

 

 

 

enjoy your antithetical critical thinking

 

 

Your first 'Hint', yes I know, but then are these particular medicines amongst those or are you speaking without knowing. 

 

Your second 'Hint'. I'm not at all sure on what basis you claim 'what they decided to do...'? Perhaps you can provide us with the evidence to back up your statement. 

 

I'm not at all sure what doctors are doing, and I'm not inclined to accept your word or that of any other stranger on the internet. 

 

 

obviously drugs spoken of in context of this thread/article

 

did post #9 on this thread mean anything to you?

 

ditto above

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10 hours ago, Tug said:

Let’s all hope it’s helping and not harming 

If patients think it will help, even if it doesn't really help, it still helps. It gives hope when there is none. The placebo effect can be powerful.

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This story mischaracterizes what was said - failing to mention that the best results in studies to-date came from using the a drug COMBINATION - cited in the French studies and by Trump - hydroxychloroquine PLUS Azithromycin (z-pac).   To write a story on hydroxychloroquine, without mentioning Azithromycin from the outset (not far down) does not make sense, unless the purpose is to mislead the reader.

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6 hours ago, simple1 said:

LOL - the 'experts' trump listens to concerning Covid include Giuliani and Kushner.

This is a somewhat worthy tangent.  Kushner is neck-deep in this behind the scenes, and comes from a criminal family, who bought his way into Harvard (he's not very smart).  But I doubt even he would try something this stupid, given he knows the political-opposition will be picking it all apart - in real-time, and again later. 

So far, it appears his "group" are bringing in private persons on a volunteer basis, and much of the work is being donated, to avoid even the appearance of profiteering on this.  But anything that gets Kushner and Ivanka out of the Trump WH would be great news to me - exactly No One voted for them.

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11 hours ago, J Town said:

There are some problems with this article:

1) hydroxychloroquine is a generic, any pharma can produce and supply it as a bulk API (active pharmaceutical ingredient). Here's ten for starters:

https://pharmaoffer.com/api-excipient-supplier/hydroxychloroquine

 

Here's two more:

https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/mylan-and-teva-make-malaria-drug-pledges-on-covid-19

No particular reason for Novartis to make much out of this.

 

2) The Novartis-Cohen contract expired in Feb 2018

 

3) (slightly postdating the Truthout revelations) Trump has pressured India for supplies of hydroxychloroquine:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52180660

How's that going to boost Novartis?

 

Incompetence looks a better explanation than corruption in this case: Trump just needs a quick fix/game changer to help him get re-elected, or at least offer hope to his constituency.

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1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11281433/asymptomatic-coronavirus-without-symptoms/

 

what are the symptoms ?

GHOST CARRIER

What does asymptomatic mean, and can I still have coronavirus without symptoms?

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depending on ones immune system possible to asymptomatic or just mildly symptomatic.  you might say the very lucky ones are asymptomatic or just have mild symptoms.

 

the downside is potential to spread it if you feel fine.

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14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Hydroxychloroquine, frankly it appears leftists literally want more people to die. Governor Andy Cuomo even banned its outpatient use in New York.

Apparently that's to protect stocks for use in hospitals:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/

 

(Which may not make sense, because one factor obfuscating the effectiveness of the drug may be that it works far better started early, but it's a far cry from wanting people to die for political reasons...)

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