Popular Post RoadWarrior371 Posted April 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 hours ago, candide said: Have you read the definition of 'pandemic? Declaring a pandemic is not an assessment of dangerousness, it's an acknowledgement that a disease has spread in several countries and affects a significant number of people. One doesn't declare a pandemic in anticipation, before it occurs. Timing is the issue here. The WHO actually chastised countries that enacted proactive travel bans early on, and were late calling the spread to other countries, once again suckling China's gonads. Wake up and release your suction. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Number 6 Posted April 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2020 There is definitely scapegoating going on here but it's been handled horribly. The Taiwan thing and the messaging in early days just unbelievable. US should pull out of all UN program, WHO. Realign NATO. China pays 0.25 percent of WHO. China is just a horrible actor on the world stage. Can't trust it on anything. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Iron Tongue Posted April 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2020 You don't have to like Trump. The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening. If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities. But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said: Timing is the issue here. The WHO actually chastised countries that enacted proactive travel bans early on, and were late calling the spread to other countries, once again suckling China's gonads. Wake up and release your suction. The WHO sent clear warnings at least from 30 January. The WHO defines a PHEIC as an “extraordinary event” that “constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease” and “potentially require a coordinated international response.” https://time.com/5774747/coronavirus-who-public-health-emergency/ (I don't know why the text is barred) Edited April 8, 2020 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted April 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said: You don't have to like Trump. The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening. If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities. But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue. Nonsense. The WHO made several international warnings, starting with a public health emergency of international concern on Jan. 30. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, rabas said: And yet amazingly, the top six EU countries of equal population to the US have far more cases and vastly more deaths than the US. They were even using Chloroquine before Trump mentioned Chloroquine. EU-6 = UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland : 51,127 dead. US : 12,857 dead https://ncov2019.live/ Why: EU was listening to you know WHO. Edited April 8, 2020 by RJRS1301 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said: Here's an article about Thailand's testing regime if any are interested. https://www.thaienquirer.com/10901/thailand-says-focused-testing-more-important-than-mass-testing-mass-testing-very-expensive/ Rather like Burundi when you stop and think about it...???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Number 6 said: There is definitely scapegoating going on here but it's been handled horribly. The Taiwan thing and the messaging in early days just unbelievable. US should pull out of all UN program, WHO. Realign NATO. China pays 0.25 percent of WHO. China is just a horrible actor on the world stage. Can't trust it on anything. Thank goodness-as you keep repeating ad nauseum-that you are not a Trump supporter or a member of the American alt-right...???? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 hours ago, candide said: Same as Trump: try to blame someone else for their failure. Japan refused to impose lockdown and is currently experiencing a surge of epidemic. Just as pathetic as Trump. China started it Chi Nah Not Japan You are blaming innocent victims 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said: Timing is the issue here. The WHO actually chastised countries that enacted proactive travel bans early on, and were late calling the spread to other countries, once again suckling China's gonads. Wake up and release your suction. Yes, they were late. 45 days after they issued a grave warning Trump was still downplaying it mightily though. He is again blaming others for his own incompetence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratchaburi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 22 hours ago, JonnyF said: Correct. The WHO has handled this very poorly indeed. They handed out a lot of very poor advice which has undoubtedly made the situation worse. However, many people have an irrational hate of Donald Trump so they will disagree. If Trump said water was wet they'd disagree. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts. JonnyF You are so right I was just about to write the same thing. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts. So True 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, candide said: The WHO sent clear warnings at least from 30 January. The WHO defines a PHEIC as an “extraordinary event” that “constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease” and “potentially require a coordinated international response.” https://time.com/5774747/coronavirus-who-public-health-emergency/ (I don't know why the text is barred) This was said to carefully avoid the word pandemic at the time. This resulted in many saying "See not a problem" even here at TV. This was part of the cover up, China's plan. NB: you can press Tx in the menu bar to remove all text formatting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 10 hours ago, rabas said: That's the point its author made. Maybe talk to him? I reply to a post, you try to explain, your explanation is deemed incorrect. So you tell me to talk to the poster. Maybe better to not try to explain other's posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 replace the who General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus with a proper frontman; pete townsend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, ratchaburi said: JonnyF You are so right I was just about to write the same thing. It's a shame they lack the ability to separate their emotions from the cold hard facts. So True So please explain why 45 days after the WHO issued a grave warning Trump was, after his initial travel ban, still downplaying this and the taskforce was doing nothing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langsuan Man Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 I get so sick and tired of hearing how Trump single-handedly prevented the Corna Virus from spreading due to his decision to ban travel from China, once again it is pure Trump hyperbole and the ban he is so proud of had more holes that a block of Swiss cheese Quote Trump’s ban on China travel: his claims vs. the facts source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-ban-on-china-travel-his-claims-vs-reality-2020-03-27 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearsinrain Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Langsuan Man said: I get so sick and tired of hearing how Trump single-handedly prevented the Corna Virus from spreading due to his decision to ban travel from China, once again it is pure Trump hyperbole and the ban he is so proud of had more holes that a block of Swiss cheese source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-ban-on-china-travel-his-claims-vs-reality-2020-03-27 Somehow I pity him for taking all the blame. He is ignorant undoubtly, but he doesn't run the administration alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, tearsinrain said: Somehow I pity him for taking all the blame. He is ignorant undoubtly, but he doesn't run the administration alone. With him not listening to the experts, he is running it alone. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, stevenl said: With him not listening to the experts, he is running it alone. I was under the impression that in his mind, he is the expert on all manner of things. Watching his latest press conference his rambling narrative was disconcerting to say the least. Edited April 9, 2020 by RJRS1301 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 One medical worker called it “insane,” another said it induces paranoia - the speed with which patients are declining and dying from the novel coronavirus is shocking even veteran doctors ... Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive,” said Diana Torres, a nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York ... “I’m paranoid, scared to walk out of their room.” It isn’t just elderly or patients with underlying health conditions who can be fine one minute and at death’s door the next. It can happen for the young and healthy, too, health professionals told Reuters. Caution reading : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-deaths/from-fine-to-flailing-rapid-health-declines-in-covid-19-patients-jar-doctors-nurses-idUSKCN21Q36V China lied repeatedly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Iron Tongue said: You don't have to like Trump. The WHO killed plenty of people worldwide by holding to Chinese party declarations instead of what was happening. If the WHO had declared a global pandemic 3-weeks earlier when they already knew what was happening inside China, it may have saved 95% of covid-19 fatalities. But go ahead, blame Trump instead of focusing on the real issue. Brilliant ! May I add because of some WHO top officials political ideological ties with China and their late ill advised response to over 100 countries,they are and China imop responsible for the monster of virus and the deaths of thousands ! I tried not to put blame but it is so obvious now .Their advise to my country and Thailand back in early January has put myself and family and millions at risk of being infected ! https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/ Edited April 9, 2020 by riclag 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 5 March on his pal Hannity show, Trump called the WHO death rate of 3.4% a false number and fake news. He followed with his hunch that it should be under 1%. Now the US death rate is at 5.7% and exposed his ignorance of science and the danger of false messaging. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, rabas said: One medical worker called it “insane,” another said it induces paranoia - the speed with which patients are declining and dying from the novel coronavirus is shocking even veteran doctors ... Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive,” said Diana Torres, a nurse at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York ... “I’m paranoid, scared to walk out of their room.” It isn’t just elderly or patients with underlying health conditions who can be fine one minute and at death’s door the next. It can happen for the young and healthy, too, health professionals told Reuters. Caution reading : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-deaths/from-fine-to-flailing-rapid-health-declines-in-covid-19-patients-jar-doctors-nurses-idUSKCN21Q36V China lied repeatedly. Yes, can happen to anybody. But all over the world the numbers show it are the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are, by far, most at risk. Others are exceptions. Your conclusion ' China lied repeatedly' can not be based on the info you just provided. And thanks for linking to that lefty, liberal agency. Edited April 9, 2020 by stevenl 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, stevenl said: Yes, can happen to anybody. But all over the world the numbers show it are the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are, by far, most at risk. Others are exceptions I assume you mean at "at risk " of death. True, but it seems the majority of infections are occuring in those between 25 -50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: On 5 March on his pal Hannity show, Trump called the WHO death rate of 3.4% a false number and fake news. He followed with his hunch that it should be under 1%. Now the US death rate is at 5.7% and exposed his ignorance of science and the danger of false messaging. 5 March? Today US death rate is 14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician. On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5% Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, rabas said: 5 March? Today US death rate is 14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician. On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5% Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest. More honest? No chance. But yes, looking at the very low numbers of testing it is extremely likely the number of infections is much higher, therefore the death rate much lower. Caveat with that is that the cause of death seems to be rather arbitrary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slammed-over-coronavirus-hes-184621821.html The New York Times Trump Slammed the WHO Over Coronavirus. He's Not Alone. In Japan, Taro Aso, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, recently noted that some people have started referring to the World Health Organization as the “Chinese Health Organization” because of what he described as its close ties to Beijing. Taiwanese officials say the WHO ignored its early warnings about the virus because China refuses to allow Taiwan, a self-governing island it claims as its territory, to become a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted April 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, rabas said: 5 March? Today US death rate is 14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician. On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5% Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest. You sure about those numbers? https://www.businessinsider.com/us-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-limited-testing-2020-3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, rabas said: 5 March? Today US death rate is 14795÷435128 => 3.4% Looks like Trump is a better mathematician. On March 15 the US death rate was under 1.0%. About 5 March just 0.5% Not only a better mathematician, more accurate and honest. I suggest you check your figures for today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mavideol said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slammed-over-coronavirus-hes-184621821.html The New York Times Trump Slammed the WHO Over Coronavirus. He's Not Alone. In Japan, Taro Aso, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, recently noted that some people have started referring to the World Health Organization as the “Chinese Health Organization” because of what he described as its close ties to Beijing. Taiwanese officials say the WHO ignored its early warnings about the virus because China refuses to allow Taiwan, a self-governing island it claims as its territory, to become a member. Japan was slowed to implement tough measures to minimize the infection. They have been criticized by their own citizens. They are well behind the curve compare to their neighbouring Taiwan and South Korea. But I am still surprised by the Deputy PM putting blame. It’s not Japanese culture to shirk responsibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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