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6 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Capitalism is a method of running an economy. Socialism is a political theory. A country can be socialist AND capitalist - like Norway or Finland.

It cannot, as soon as the political interferes with the economy, which it does constantly.

 

In a capitalist economy, there are no bailouts for failing businesses, no central bank guided by the government to adjust the interest rates and to create money to finance the public deficits, and so on...

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46 minutes ago, Dap said:

the outcomes to your queries (in my opinion) is gonna' be how long this lasts and how devastating it will be to the numbers creating the pollution that's ultimately killing us all in the first place. 

 

Indeed, more than the climate, and the virus, it is the pollution, and the poisoning of everything, that is killing us, notably through multiple forms of cancer.

 

If governments were really bent on saving lives, they would have stopped the economy, or at least large parts of it, long ago.

 

Anyway, what we see today, as described in the OP is just a fleeting illusion of improvement.

 

The air and the water are in constant motion, so the pollution we don't see anymore, has just moved somewhere else, it hasn't disappeared.

 

And nothing is changing when it comes to the depleted soils and the poisoned food which is sold to us...even locked down, people are still eating the same s..t, and absorbing plastic particles, among other things.

 

We don't know how long the virus lock down madness will last, but we do know that it can't be long, unless the governments, notably in the West, have decided to commit global suicide...

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3 hours ago, andy85 said:

You are right, it will be interesting to how much the climate change markers are affected by the reduction in pollution. I don't think the results will really influence people though, most are firmly set in their views.

 

Climate change and coronavirus have some interesting parallels, at least to me. Notice that at the start of the epidemic, conservative pundits and politicians dismissed it, calling it a hoax, overblown media hype, politically motivated etc. They strongly denied it, right up until the moment it was staring them in the face. They have done the exact same thing with climate change.

 

Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately), the pace of climate change is very slow. By the time they'll be willing to admit something is wrong, it will be too late. They'll be long gone, and their kids and grandkids will be left to clean up the mess. I don't have a strong view on two-sided politics either way, but I do trust in the scientists that study it much more than politicians or pundits. 

 

 

 

Here’s another great one:

 

 

also, minor point from the OP, but “and skies generally clear of aircraft emission streaks”. Whatever you see aren’t emission streaks, but condensation / clouds being formed as the pressure changes around the wings. Compared to most other types of engines, a jet engine burns incredibly clean.

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19 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

It cannot, as soon as the political interferes with the economy, which it does constantly.

 

In a capitalist economy, there are no bailouts for failing businesses, no central bank guided by the government to adjust the interest rates and to create money to finance the public deficits, and so on...

So therefore, there is no capitalist country on this earth.

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3 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

It does not really matter what people as individuals think. Trust the same people who you will trust in creating a vaccine for the current pandemic. In my opinion, whoever takes that vaccine will in essence be saying they trust the climate science as well, they just refuse to admit that to themselves. 

what do you base that pseudo analysis on ?

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9 minutes ago, ncc1701d said:

also, minor point from the OP, but “and skies generally clear of aircraft emission streaks”. Whatever you see aren’t emission streaks, but condensation / clouds being formed as the pressure changes around the wings. Compared to most other types of engines, a jet engine burns incredibly clean.

I really wanted this to be true because I like to learn new stuff. But every answer I see via Google seems to contradict what you said about the white streaks 🤔  e.g.: 

 

The hot, humid exhaust from jet engines mixes with the atmosphere, which at high altitude is of much lower vapor pressure and temperature than the exhaust gas. The water vapor contained in the jet exhaust condenses and may freeze, and this mixing process forms a cloud very similar to the one your hot breath makes on a cold day.

Jet engine exhaust contains carbon dioxide, oxides of sulfur and nitrogen, unburned fuel, soot and metal particles, as well as water vapor. The soot provides condensation sites for the water vapor. Any particles present in the air provide additional sites.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-jets-leave-a-white/

 

 

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20 hours ago, wasabi said:

I believe man made climate change is not real.

What scientific evidence do you have to support that belief?

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22 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Indeed, more than the climate, and the virus, it is the pollution, and the poisoning of everything, that is killing us, notably through multiple forms of cancer.

 

If governments were really bent on saving lives, they would have stopped the economy, or at least large parts of it, long ago.

 

Anyway, what we see today, as described in the OP is just a fleeting illusion of improvement.

 

The air and the water are in constant motion, so the pollution we don't see anymore, has just moved somewhere else, it hasn't disappeared.

 

And nothing is changing when it comes to the depleted soils and the poisoned food which is sold to us...even locked down, people are still eating the same s..t, and absorbing plastic particles, among other things.

 

We don't know how long the virus lock down madness will last, but we do know that it can't be long, unless the governments, notably in the West, have decided to commit global suicide...

what poisoned food are being sold ?

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3 hours ago, JCauto said:

We won't have sufficient data to draw any conclusions about whether climate change is significantly man-made or not. The temperature measurements and modeling are on a global scale over the course of decades, and to attempt to draw conclusions from a small blip within this massive set of data will not be productive.

I suspected that. Pity really. It would have been good to get some decent data after going through all this cr4p! 

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17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What scientific evidence do you have to support that belief?

that in the time interval of 150 to 50 million years ago, 100 million years in a row,

temp & co2 went in an inverse correlation.

that proves that 1] there is no feedback whatsoever, or it would have shown in that interval,

you cant claim 50 years are causing a feedback and 100 million years are not.

2] it proves that to whichever degree co2 has any effect, it is entirely overridden

by other factors, orders of magnitude more powerful in dictating climate,

because again, if 100 million years in a row of inverse correlation doesnt cut it,

it never will, and certainly not a time interval of 50 years,

a  mere weather fluke in earth history.

i implore you: where is the correlation ??!

 

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Just now, brokenbone said:

that in the time interval of 150 to 50 million years ago, 100 million years in a row,

temp & co2 went in an inverse correlation.

that proves that 1] there is no feedback whatsoever, or it would have shown in that interval,

you cant claim 50 years are causing a feedback and 100 million years are not.

2] it proves that to whichever degree co2 has any effect, it is entirely overridden

by other factors, orders of magnitude more powerful in dictating climate,

because again, if 100 million years in a row of inverse correlation cuts it,

it never will, and certainly not a time interval of 50 years,

a  mere weather fluke in earth history

 

Having read multiple erroneous posts from you, some of which show a great liking for cherry-picking single data points to support your argument, I don't intend to waste any time apart from this post in responding.

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3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

When you get some kind of understanding of the way the laws of thermodynamics work, possibly you won't be posting this utter tosh.

you have disqualified yourself in understanding of physics,

max plank doesnt ring a bell and you present invalid arguments on 2nd law of thermodynamics,

with notably some sort of belief that earth is a closed system with no

energy input from sun even

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Just now, Lacessit said:

Having read multiple erroneous posts from you, some of which show a great liking for cherry-picking single data points to support your argument, I don't intend to waste any time apart from this post in responding.

100 million years in a row is no cherry picking, it is long term data that easily suffice to falsify the co2 hypothesis altogether

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