China is the Winner - That is a Real Reason to Worry

[ChouDoufu 4,944]

27 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

it'll get worse when proof is found that the virus was man-made and deliberately spread

 

so you've already decided?  just a hunch?  a gut feeling?  that's a problem i see often, where folks make their decision, and then look for supporting evidence, reliable or not, that confirms our existing beliefs.

 

for us mere mortals, that means always getting our 'news' from the same bookmarked websites.  we get only one side of the argument, and can safely ignore irrelevant, contradictory information.  it's comfortable.  whatever doesn't agree can be written off as "fake news."

 

unfortunately, our government overlords (in the usa) within the beltway suffer from the same disability.  they get their information from those experiencing the same groupthink, with access to their offices given to "experts" from like-minded thinktanks.  some of those in power make their decisions based on idealogy or size of donations.  they then "fix the evidence" around the narrative.

 

that's how you get a vice president who visits spy central, and instead of asking the intel analysts for the best estimate, he gives them the conclusion and tasking to "find" the evidence.  that's how you get a general powell speech riddled with planted disinformation.  reliance on questionable sources leads us into actually believing we're embarking on a cakewalk, or that we'll be greeted as liberators.

[cyril sneer 3,635]

2 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

so you've already decided?  just a hunch?  a gut feeling?  that's a problem i see often,

both

[4MyEgo 15,222]

46 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

it'll get worse when proof is found that the virus was man-made and deliberately spread

Far worse when they find out that it was the yanks who got caught out, there is now talk that it was taken from a bio lab in the states into Wuhan, believe it or not. My take is Trump got frustrated with the Chinese stalling on the trade war talks/negotiations, and said once we get to phase one, lets then stick it to them from behind just to make them hurt even more, but what they didn't realise was China, said, ok then, right back and you and your allies, F....the lot of you, look at us now !

 

My old man was a boxer and his saying to me was: When someone hits you, take it and wait for your opportunity to hit him back, twice as hard, but make it a clean hit, that is all it takes, one clean hit, China has landed that one clean hit, albeit China was bruised and battered, it landed a knockout on Trump.

 

Do I like any part of this, not my fight, just passing by, hopefully without getting hit myself. 

 

[Bassosa 799]

30 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

So, @Pilotman, what´s the problem with China getting an advantage in the economic sector? Is that an advantage that you consider being reserved only for US and UK?

Or maybe you just have something against China and the Chinese people? If that is the case, then this would be considered a racist thread, and should be dealt with as one.

Because that advantage in the economic sector will be used to become the new global super power.

Personally I'd rather the US be that global super power. For all their faults they're not quite as scary as China and the CCP.

[Matzzon 13,666]

4 minutes ago, noone223 said:

no. thats not "personal" . Sihanoukville has turned by everyone's opinion to a dumpster.

It wasn't taken from me, it was taken from Cambodians. Tibet wasn't taken from me, but from Tibetans.

Pattaya is not owned by the Americans, Germans, nor Brits, and even if it was actually owned by americans or brits (which everyone knows IT ISN'T)

It still is beautiful next to Sihanoukville.

Yes, its fear of tiananmen square, of tibet, of sihanoukville, of africa, of fiji happening all over again.

Of course its fear, so what? You're acting as if fear is an absolute negative,  when in reality fear is what stops holocausts and dictatorships.

 

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

As I say, over half of the worlds population has no problem with the places mentioned. The only thing that is scaring you is to lose the power grip your country owns on the rest of the world.

[Bassosa 799]

3 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Far worse when they find out that it was the yanks who got caught out, there is now talk that it was taken from a bio lab in the states into Wuhan, believe it or not. My take is Trump got frustrated with the Chinese stalling on the trade war talks/negotiations, and said once we get to phase one, lets then stick it to them from behind just to make them hurt even more, but what they didn't realise was China, said, ok then, right back and you and your allies, F....the lot of you, look at us now !

 

My old man was a boxer and his saying to me was: When someone hits you, take it and wait for your opportunity to hit him back, twice as hard, but make it a clean hit, that is all it takes, one clean hit, China has landed that one clean hit, albeit China was bruised and battered, it landed a knockout on Trump.

 

Do I like any part of this, not my fight, just passing by, hopefully without getting hit myself. 

 

There's always one sucker falling for the Chinese propaganda machine. 

[noone223 173]

2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

9 minutes ago, noone223 said:

 

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

Can I print this intelligent quote on a poster? I'd like to hang on the wall in my toilet, right on top of my bum gun. (don't worry, i'll credit you for it)

Edited April 9, 2020 by noone223

[Bassosa 799]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

Fear has never changed anything. Action of determined people with focus and concentration have. That is the opposite of fear.

As I say, over half of the worlds population has no problem with the places mentioned. The only thing that is scaring you is to lose the power grip your country owns on the rest of the world.

What about the aggressive expansion in the South China See. The annexation of atolls and rocky outcrops near the beaches of other countries? Their aggression towards Taiwan and Hong Kong. The "internment camps" and the forced organ harvesting? Stamping out of religion. Should I continue?

I can't believe you're defending China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

[noone223 173]

Just now, Bassosa said:

China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

As if its not pure fear that forces 1.3million chinese to rely on VPN's.

No, it's "action of determined people" . Geez, you could say that about Hitler too. "He wasn't afraid of jews, he was a determined person"

[ChouDoufu 4,944]

2 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

There's always one sucker falling for the Chinese propaganda machine. 

as we've seen, we've all got propaganda machines.

 

the chinese (like the soviets before them) previously relied on clunky, cartoonesque, very obvious propaganda, whereas our version was slick, well-oiled, madison avenue consumer-driven.  they're learning, though, and copying our style.

[Matzzon 13,666]

6 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

What about the aggressive expansion in the South China See. The annexation of atolls and rocky outcrops near the beaches of other countries? Their aggression towards Taiwan and Hong Kong. The "internment camps" and the forced organ harvesting? Stamping out of religion. Should I continue?

I can't believe you're defending China....the CCP is dangerous, wake up please.

No, it´s you that should wake up! The reason why you are trying to pose them as dangerous, is that countries you are more positive to will lose the power they gain. You just do not like China, so you are painting them as dangerous out of fear of the losses that will occur in the countries you support.

 

They are not more dangerous than any other country with power. Just look at USA, that just can make a drone strike in Iran, kill a general and get away with it.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Matzzon

[Matzzon 13,666]

8 minutes ago, noone223 said:

Can I print this intelligent quote on a poster? I'd like to hang on the wall in my toilet, right on top of my bum gun. (don't worry, i'll credit you for it)

Sure!  Does that mean that you are scared of your own <deleted> and need mentoring before you take action with your gun?

[noone223 173]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

No, it´s you that should wake up!

look genius.

If it is him that should wake up.

Why is China blocking Facebook & Youtube -> while the west isn't blocking WeChat or Baidu?

 

 

You're clearly the one who needs the wake up, but I'm afraid you'll still be stupid even after you do.

[Bassosa 799]

2 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

as we've seen, we've all got propaganda machines.

 

the chinese (like the soviets before them) previously relied on clunky, cartoonesque, very obvious propaganda, whereas our version was slick, well-oiled, madison avenue consumer-driven.  they're learning, though, and copying our style.

Yes, but "we" also have free press and journalists pursuing the truth. 

China hasn't. Big difference. 

[Matzzon 13,666]

14 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Because that advantage in the economic sector will be used to become the new global super power.

Personally I'd rather the US be that global super power. For all their faults they're not quite as scary as China and the CCP.

There it came. The fear of the changes and creations of new super powers. The reason why you prefer US as the worlds leader, is that you are raised with western ideologies. Still over half the population of the world stands against you.