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32 minutes ago, OJAS said:

IMHO you have every right for your confidence based on what happened in Europe during the height of the Cold War, when a fair few Eastern Europeans displayed considerable courage in fleeing to the West and escaping their commie masters at great personal risk to themselves - and over what were, in the main, closed and sealed borders.

I remember that. Russian ice hockey team, performing artists, etc that were allowed out from CCCP were closely guarded so they wouldn't defect to west. Some managed it anyway.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors

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Defector was the word I had trouble remembering

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1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/about-us

 

 

Here's an acid test: open all borders and see which way people would migrate. I'm fairly sure people wouldn't be flocking into commie countries.

 

The Chinese borders have been opened for ages. Most of the migration was mostly to the West, but in recent years flows increased in the other direction. When money talks....

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1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

okay, it backs up your thoughts and feelings

 

but is that one-hour docudrama legitimate?  where did it come from?  who is "epoch times?"  are they unbiased, are they "fair and balanced?"  or do they have an agenda?  did they cherry-pick data points?  did they take quotes out of context?  are they ignoring evidence that goes against their narrative?  could they be repeating already debunked misinformation?

 

 

You try to debunk it. There is more truth in that than going the other direction. Can you say vaccine?

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4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

they block facebook and youtube because they can't control it.  yet.

 

they have an army of minders that spend their days scrubbing social media posts to remove negative comments, accusations of corruption, and the dangerous xi-poohbear memes.

 

wechat and other chinese social media give the state complete access to user identification.  but don't think the us government doesn't monitor your facebook, or that western social media doesn't filter or censor as well.

 

with the availability of vpn's, china cannot completely block western social media or information sources.  what they can do is make it inconvenient and as frustrating as possible.  the object is to steer their citizens to government approved content.  that gets results, as eventually a huge percentage of the population simply get worn down and do what's easiest.

 

one of the most annoying things about being in china is dealing with the internet.  when wuhan was at peak virus, china essentially shut down the internet for about a week.  by that i mean no vpn's were working, so those of us stuck here behind the bamboo curtain were limited to chinese websites.  they also throttled the speed and capacity so western sites that were still accessible would time out and never load.

 

part of it was to control the flow of genuine information, but also to shut down the flood of disinformation flooding the internet.  western and other propaganda machines went into overdrive during peak wuhan and during the hong kong riots.  there is an incredible amount of false information being passed around.

 

 

Interesting comment about the VPN not working .... I did not experience any difference from normal VPN use ... (Beijing).

 

What part of China did you experience that from ?

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42 minutes ago, gearbox said:

So far the scientific opinions and investigations show that the virus is not man made...no need to spread hatred towards the Americans or the Chinese.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-new-coronavirus-was-not-genetically-engineered-study-shows

 

“These two features of the virus — the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone — rule out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,” explains Andersen.

 

This link to Medical News Today seems a far more reliable conduit of information. Open and straightforward medical research dissemination. Not difficult is it?

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24 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Interesting comment about the VPN not working .... I did not experience any difference from normal VPN use ... (Beijing).

 

What part of China did you experience that from ?

hainan province.  vpn's were down for a full week.  this usually happens during particularly sensitive times - major party meetings, hong kong riots, and now pandemics.

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basically. It wouldn't surprise me if china will get nuked. all it will take is for trump to have sufficient evidence, and voila.

Does anyone think chinese people deserve a nuclear bomb ? hell no.

Does the CCP need to stay put and quiet? yes.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and many more countries out there agree.

This isn't a west vs east thing, it's about putting the bully to sleep.

 

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2 minutes ago, noone223 said:

basically. It wouldn't surprise me if china will get nuked. all it will take is for trump to have sufficient evidence, and voila.

Does anyone think chinese people deserve a nuclear bomb ? hell no.

Does the CCP need to stay put and quiet? yes.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and many more countries out there agree.

This isn't a west vs east thing, it's about putting the bully to sleep.

 

you forgot to mention a very important one===  Xinjiang uyghur autonomous region

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47 minutes ago, artiz said:

This link to Medical News Today seems a far more reliable conduit of information. Open and straightforward medical research dissemination. Not difficult is it?

there are plenty of medical websites out there with articles on the virus.  it's very easy for someone to find a respectable journal and quote mine something to back up their claims.

 

could be 1) natural mutation, 2) vaccine research accidentally released, 3) bio-weapon accidentally (or on purpose!) released, 4) caused by 5G radiation ............ doesn't matter, there are enough quotes and links for everyone.

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59 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

there are plenty of medical websites out there with articles on the virus.  it's very easy for someone to find a respectable journal and quote mine something to back up their claims.

 

could be 1) natural mutation, 2) vaccine research accidentally released, 3) bio-weapon accidentally (or on purpose!) released, 4) caused by 5G radiation ............ doesn't matter, there are enough quotes and links for everyone.

Sorry I dont understand your post above. I'll clarify my post. The Scripps Research Institute is a world renowned and not for profit research facility in California which ranks very highly as a trusted source of medical integrity and research ethics.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#author-information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripps_Research

There are quite a few others around the world so my conclusion would be that I would far rather 'trust' research conducted and published by this kind of organisation rather than a well known right-wing political publication much cherished and supported by Trump and his mates!

Not a difficult choice!

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1 minute ago, artiz said:

Sorry I dont understand your post above. I'll clarify my post. The Scripps Research Institute is a world renowned and not for profit research facility in California which ranks very highly as a trusted source of medical integrity and research ethics.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#author-information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripps_Research

There are quite a few others around the world so my conclusion would be that I would far rather 'trust' research conducted and published by this kind of organisation rather than a well known right-wing political publication much cherished and supported by Trump and his mates!

nothing specifically against your source.  my point was that a trip to the googles will find what seems an unlimited pool of articles, many of them from respected and reliable journals, that anyone can use to support their side if they so choose.

 

there's a lot of research going on, with lots of interesting findings, that can be interpreted in different ways.  much too soon to know anything for certain.

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1 Rebuild industries in the West under wartime legislation. 2 Impose 50% tarrif on Chinese goods. 3 Impose 2 trillion USD reparations for loosing covid from Wuhan lab and then covering it up.

 

Kill off all UN bodies and WHO.

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10 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Not if they dont buy. Once they lose their pricing advantage other nations increase output and get the sales. Put in a 10 year plan to phase out any power they have.

Why couldn't the 'other nations' do it before the corona visit?

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