house visit

[cyril sneer]

did they ask for money?

[wazzadg44]

Some very interesting comments-first up HE did not appear in a uniform of any sort. Had on casual clothes and the cap.scarf. I was inside and my wife was outside when he arrived and the first I knew of it was when She came in and asked for my passport. I went out and was handed a form (in Thai) that a previous Falang had added his name and age. That was it for me-my wife did all the rest and I went back inside. HE left around 5 minutes later to see the German chap next door. Could have been Or Bor Tor or Tessabaan-not immigration. He could have also shown my wife ID when he arrived. She did not say so but I am used to getting only half the story because of "can not say English". Not many Falangs out here where we are-HE had only 3 on his books. If I had arced up about ID or not showing passport who knows where that would lead to-I have had a very enjoyable ten years here and intend to have another ten so I will not rock the boat unnecessarily.

[wazzadg44]

No money asked for and none offered.

[holy cow cm]

Yeah as far as I am concerned send someone with a littler better credibility. But in the end they are correct and they are Thai and we are foreign 3rd class people at best. Better to abide and go along with it than have a problem.

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

We made our escape to the in-laws' upcountry about two weeks ago. On the way up the wife's sister was already on the phone with friends in the moo ban, including those in the pu yai's crew. They wanted my ID, already had my passport photo on my phone, sent it through Line. Upon arrival we all posed for a photo. Then for the first few days they came by to do paperwork, checking boxes saying that we weren't sick, and checking our temperatures. After that, just smiles and asking if everyone's OK. A rather pleasant experience.

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, wazzadg44 said:

If I had arced up about ID or not showing passport who knows where that would lead to

Who would care?

I'm not in their system, so I usually avoid this sort of nonsense.

If they're doing something house to house I'll go along with it.

If it's just racist/xenophobic harassment, I'll not play ball.

Edited April 9, 2020 by BritManToo

[wazzadg44]

I would care and I AM in the their system. Good for you if you can thumb your nose at them but I certainly will not. Some people err on the side of caution.

[cyril sneer]

1 minute ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

We made our escape to the in-laws' upcountry about two weeks ago. On the way up the wife's sister was already on the phone with friends in the moo ban, including those in the pu yai's crew. They wanted my ID, already had my passport photo on my phone, sent it through Line. Upon arrival we all posed for a photo. Then for the first few days they came by to do paperwork, checking boxes saying that we weren't sick, and checking our temperatures. After that, just smiles and asking if everyone's OK. A rather pleasant experience.

because they were polite?

[samsensam]

 

from the uniform it sounds like one of the citizen volunteers who get rolled out to help at national events - but more recently in bangkok they are obviously soldiers rather than citizens.

 

from reading the posts here it's clear why some people have issues with immigration and others don't. i've always found immigration/IOs to be reasonably organised, patient, helpful and pleasant but i can see how a foreigner with attitude could be the recipient of attitude, and if that's the case they have no reason to complain.

 

to the case in point, it would be case of you show me your id and i'll show you mine. once i know he/she is genuine i have nothing to hide and nothing to lose by producing some documents in a pleasant and friendly way. life's too short.

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

agree ,  the infection carrier is another issue and your correct they should wash while you are present, but as for showing your docs ...  not a big deal imo.

I would suggest if someone wanted to see my personal docs, I would be willing to oblige, but first he would have to get past my wife, she is very protective of me, e.g. she would need to confirm who he is, if satisfied, all and good, if not, she would tell him to FO as she done to some non local monks a couple of times.

 

She really is tame my Mrs, but stick a you nose into our a business, and a look the F out.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, samsensam said:

to the case in point, it would be case of you show me your id and i'll show you mine. once i know he/she is genuine i have nothing to hide and nothing to lose by producing some documents in a pleasant and friendly way. life's too short.

Wrong, you have your life to lose.

If the guy visiting you is infected, or anyone that passed him documents earlier is infected, you could be next.

He could kill your entire family, as a person visiting many foreigners he must be considered 'high risk'.

Do you understand how this virus is spread? Clearly not or you wouldn't be so happy for him to put his hands all over your documents.

Edited April 9, 2020 by BritManToo

[recom273]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

i hardly think they were harassing the OP.  They are IO's, it's their job to ensure expats comply with Thailands immigration laws.  If you want to be un-cooperative in not giving them any info or act like your a Philidelphia lawyer then that's fine, but why make life difficult as I'm sure word will get around at the IO and god help you when you try to extend or apply for any visa ....    What is about folks not assisting with IO's request .... if you've nothing to hide then what's the big deal  ??   imo

 

Apart from unsolicited visits to your door and the associated health risks, some of these people aren't trained to read passports and you never know the outcome of a situation, although the OPs encounter seems to be with a reasonable person.

 

I had an instance when I handed over my passport to a hotel receptionist who decided it was her duty to check my stamps, misread it, told me I was illegally in the country - I reached out for the passport to show her the extension stamp, and she pulled the passport out of my reach, litterelaly ran out the back creaming and returned with the manager, and it took all hell to get the passport back to demonstrate I was here legally.

 

Lesson learned .. immigration officers only .. even driving licences and police officers, hold it at eye level and tell them there Is no need to touch it, as soon as it leaves your hands, its a <deleted> to get back if things start going pear shaped.

 

Immigration know where I live, my name, and when my visa expires - they are the only people that need to be concerned with my visa.

Edited April 9, 2020 by recom273

[daveAustin]

Tough call, always wise to double-check who someone is of course, but being there in the current environment is a bit tricky. Best to comply where possible methinks.

[Wiggy]

18 hours ago, wazzadg44 said:

with blue cap/yellow scarf

Sounds like you got a visit from the boy scouts.

[Colabamumbai]

They have no business to be at 

my door. 

[Sundown]

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

He could kill your entire family, as a person visiting many foreigners he must be considered 'high risk'.

You are well into the Thai racist "logic" that the carriers of covid are just foreigners. After the first contact with just a single infected foreigner, which must have been Chinese and at least two months ago, foreigners or nationals doesn't make a difference. Actually the Thai infected must be a lot more by now, but for some magic trick they find just foreigners with covid or Thai who got in contact with dirty foreigners. 

 

Basically the covid never passes from Thai to Thai! That's kinda magic. Thai are special people.

[scorecard]

18 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

I had a group out the other day, clearly coming to my house because I’m a foreigner, didn’t check anything but handed out a pamphlet and saying if you go out you have to wear a mask. 
 

I fully expect they will do house to house “checks” at some point, most being conducted by the village headman. 

Di they visit your house only? How do you know any answer to my question?

[BritManToo]

Just now, Sundown said:

Basically the covid never passes from Thai to Thai! That's kinda magic. Thai are special people.

I'm only worried about the virus spreading from a Thai to this foreigner (me).

I don't have any contact with other foreigners.

[chrisinth]

I had a visit last night as well by 3 persons (1 x male, 2 x females) about 10 minutes after returning from work. Living in P'lok (Chinnalapat). I was just putting the prong collar on the dog for his walk when they arrived and had to take him inside (he's a bit territorial) so the missus dealt with them. Asked a bit about travel history and wanted to see my passport, no mention about returning with a certificate AFAIK.

 

This has nothing to do with immigration and is a directive from the governor & mayor of Muang, P'lok. The following is an extract from an email I received a few days ago which was forwarded:

 

"My wife is in an alumni group with the governor of Phitsanulok AND the mayor of Muang Phitsanulok.  This just came out in long announcement that her alumni group received from them.  It is from the horse’s mouth – NOT a rumor.  The text is many pages and is in Thai.  It is a Phitsanulok order, not a national one.

 

TODAY forces are coming out to interview EVERY foreigner in Phitsanulok Province, regardless of nationality.  Each puyai ban in each mooban will be in charge of the project.  They all know where you are.  They will ask what you have been doing, where have you been, what are your movements and plans."

Edited April 10, 2020 by chrisinth

[scorecard]

17 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I would suggest if someone wanted to see my personal docs, I would be willing to oblige, but first he would have to get past my wife, she is very protective of me, e.g. she would need to confirm who he is, if satisfied, all and good, if not, she would tell him to FO as she done to some non local monks a couple of times.

 

She really is tame my Mrs, but stick a you nose into our a business, and a look the F out.

My Thai son is also very careful about talking to / giving things to monks. All stems from his 3 months as a novice many years ago, seeing many monks drinking, smoking, gambling, getting fast food and whisky delivered in the evening, watching porn regularly and making young boys / teen boys sit and watch the full on porn,  and  and trying to take teen (and older) girls to their cabins, having a lot of cash in their yellow shoulder bags, etc.

 

About every 60 days he and his wife take their 3 daughters to a local temple to a temple so that his kids grow up having experienced the basics of temple activities etc.,  but my son, and his wife, won't allow the monks anywhere near his daughters. 

 

People who come to our house, even with a uniform have to have solid proof of who they are or my son will quickly but politely tell them to leave. Several times he's asked for the name and telephone number of their boss, 99% of the time they then quickly disappear. 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by scorecard

[RedPill]

1 hour ago, Colabamumbai said:

They have no business to be at 

my door. 

No business, at your door in your home country ????

 

But you are in Thailand, and things work a little bit different here.

It works the way 'they' see it as being effective, whether you want nor like it or it's not correct or doesn't make any sense to you.

 

People living in larger cities might not have seen this, but the locals with blue caps and yellow scarfs, are community volunteers.

They work throughout the year on many projects for their district/villages, from baking cupcakes to helping traffic around the temple at larger 

events and now also helping to check people's temperatures etc. They work together with, and at order from the local municipality.

 

I do understand Britmanstoo logic, people meeting many people from door to door, could be a risk when knocking on your door.

 

And then we have Thai logic clashing Western logic again.

 

Foreigners who said, I stay in Thailand, it's safer here than in their home country, have not thought it completely through what could happen in Thailand if it really escalates here, too.

 

Now you are here and stayed put. Just try to not make yourself crazy if things are not working the way as you would expect it to see happening back in your home country.

 

Not in normal times and not in Corona times (i.e. door to door checks from volunteers, long q's at immigration, only foreigners 'likely' to have corona etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by RedPill

[scorecard]

48 minutes ago, scorecard said:

My Thai son is also very careful about talking to / giving things to monks. All stems from his 3 months as a novice many years ago, seeing many monks drinking, smoking, gambling, getting fast food and whisky delivered in the evening, watching porn regularly and making young boys / teen boys sit and watch the full on porn,  and  and trying to take teen (and older) girls to their cabins, having a lot of cash in their yellow shoulder bags, etc.

 

About every 60 days he and his wife take their 3 daughters to a local temple to a temple so that his kids grow up having experienced the basics of temple activities etc.,  but my son, and his wife, won't allow the monks anywhere near his daughters. 

 

People who come to our house are never allowed inside the house, even with a uniform have to have solid proof of who they are or my son will quickly but politely tell them to leave. Several times he's asked for the name and telephone number of their boss, 99% of the time they quickly disappear. 

 

 

 

 

[rwill]

My St. Bernard tends to keep people away.  Friendliest of dogs but the size scares them to death.

I have not had any visits here in Ratchaburi though.

[JayBird]

How do you tell if they are legitimate, as opposed to someone trying to steal personal information.

 

Bit odd as the info they request is on their computer.

[colinneil]

House visits,???? last evening a pickup driving around our village, telling people about the virus situation.

Also saying we have 4 masks per household to give out.

Well a group of yellow shirts, blue neckties following the pickup, handing out masks, did not stop at our gate.

My wife called out to them, what about us, reply you have farang husband, no hab for farang.

[smccolley]

Here at my villa in Naklua volunteers came and checked every house and posted something on the wall. They did ask about our travel but didn't ask for a passport or anything. They even asked my wife to rat out any neighbors that might be sick or not social distancing. It was all really friendly. I don't see any issue with that either, it is just caution.

[owl sees all]

9 minutes ago, colinneil said:

House visits,???? last evening a pickup driving around our village, telling people about the virus situation.

Also saying we have 4 masks per household to give out.

Well a group of yellow shirts, blue neckties following the pickup, handing out masks, did not stop at our gate.

My wife called out to them, what about us, reply you have farang husband, no hab for farang.

We got the masks. Terrible! Can't breath with them on. Made by some villager with a sewing machine and discarded clothing.

 

Make your own masks Colin. Then if you get the virus you can only blame yourself.

[Old Croc]

If any community volunteer came to my house wanting to handle my passport with their possibly infected fingers they will be disappointed.

I may deign to let them see it from a distance through the gate, but they wont get to touch.

Only IOs and police can insist, but not before I suggest they check their computer records to find out my status. It should be available from their car.

Here in Phuket they have announced 3000 volunteers will be going door to door to take everyone's temperature. The same rules will apply. 

[Enoon]

18 hours ago, wazzadg44 said:

Some very interesting comments-first up HE did not appear in a uniform of any sort. Had on casual clothes and the cap.scarf. I was inside and my wife was outside when he arrived and the first I knew of it was when She came in and asked for my passport. I went out and was handed a form (in Thai) that a previous Falang had added his name and age. That was it for me-my wife did all the rest and I went back inside. HE left around 5 minutes later to see the German chap next door. Could have been Or Bor Tor or Tessabaan-not immigration. He could have also shown my wife ID when he arrived. She did not say so but I am used to getting only half the story because of "can not say English". Not many Falangs out here where we are-HE had only 3 on his books. If I had arced up about ID or not showing passport who knows where that would lead to-I have had a very enjoyable ten years here and intend to have another ten so I will not rock the boat unnecessarily.

 

 At the cave rescue:

 

 

Royal Volunteer Spirit Program (904 VorPorRor)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[phutoie2]

24 minutes ago, colinneil said:

House visits,???? last evening a pickup driving around our village, telling people about the virus situation.

Also saying we have 4 masks per household to give out.

Well a group of yellow shirts, blue neckties following the pickup, handing out masks, did not stop at our gate.

My wife called out to them, what about us, reply you have farang husband, no hab for farang.

Strange, if your wife is Thai why would they not stop and hand out masks.

Our village Headman's office people have been round and handed out, one plastic bowl, one bottle sanitiser, and two facemasks per person in each household. As head honcho farang in our house I even got two masks.

Get your wife to go round Puy Yai Baans Office and kick up stink.