Wuhan lab testing bats for coronavirus had sloppy safety precautions

[silver sea]

The US State Department “voiced concern over a lack of safety protocols and the biosafety of the lab's research on coronavirus in animals like bats and warned that if cautionary steps weren't taken, the lab's research could spark a SARS-like outbreak.”

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218817/State-Department-warned-2018-Wuhan-lab-cause-new-SARS-like-pandemic.html

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

Looks like the US is fighting back in the PR campaign against China's PR ...oh this should be interesting, but alas will not gain traction....

[silver sea]

28 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Looks like the US is fighting back in the PR campaign against China's PR ...oh this should be interesting, but alas will not gain traction....

This has been going on for some time in the background.

 

Here are some earlier articles to read, if you’re interested. The Chinese Ambassador to UK’s letter to Mail on Sunday is included.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188159/Did-coronavirus-leak-research-lab-Wuhan-Startling-new-theory-no-longer-discounted.html

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8204707/Rare-pictures-scientists-studying-extremely-dangerous-pathogens-Wuhan-virus-lab.html
 

And here is an article about someone who is no longer considered orthodox by US State Department because of his concerns, over many decades, that viruses are being developed as bioweapons:

 

https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2020/04/01/chinese-scientists-think-coronavirus-leaked-from-wuhan-lab.aspx

 

 

Previously, the Daily Mail’s view on coronavirus had been fairly standard. In many of its articles it always repeated the following standard background information: 

“A study by the Wuhan Institute of Virology, published in February 2020 in the scientific journal Nature, found that the genetic make-up virus samples found in patients in China is 96 per cent identical to a coronavirus they found in bats.

 

However, there were not many bats at the market so scientists say it was likely there was an animal which acted as a middle-man, contracting it from a bat before then transmitting it to a human. It has not yet been confirmed what type of animal this was.

 

Dr Michael Skinner, a virologist at Imperial College London, was not involved with the research but said: 'The discovery definitely places the origin of nCoV in bats in China.

 

'We still do not know whether another species served as an intermediate host to amplify the virus, and possibly even to bring it to the market, nor what species that host might have been.' “
 

 

But the scientists can’t identify the intermediate animal. So may be that’s because there is no middle animal.

 

An alternative theory is therefore it came from the Wuhan research lab

 

If you consider the geographical size of China, why did they choose to build their first Level 4 (highest level) research lab near Wuhan which is not a small country village; as a city, it it is bigger than London?

 

The answer may be because they wanted easy access to the bacteria attached to the exotic animal market in Wuhan.

 

Until the scientists can produce the middle animal that passed the virus from bats to humans, then it is not unreasonable to seriously consider an alternative reason for this crisis.  The security at the research lab was sloppy and the virus leaked out.

 

Anyway, the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday now seem to believe it was human sloppiness in the lab rather than an animal acting as intermediary between bats and humans, hence the letter from the Chinese Ambassador to the UK

Edited April 15, 2020 by silver sea

[RubbaJohnny]

However te virus seems unconcerned by visas and borders.
We may never learn where outbreak patient zero was even if all evidence from Wuhan some of the witnesses may have died , others gagged or unable to reveal all they know.

While this first wave may top out at 3-4 million even without mutation there will be reservoirs in the poorest places and in an ever connected world it may become endemic like the human cold .

There is going to be a huge economic hit both temporary and for some of the least secure permanent.
NAtions like Spain,Thailand heavily skewed to International tourism are especially vulnerable.

Our best hope is a cheap safe effective vaccine asap, a tricky combo at the best of times.

Keep your distance keep safe.

[Maestro]

Removed an off topic post about "OZ".

[RJRS1301]

7 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Looks like the US is fighting back in the PR campaign against China's PR ...oh this should be interesting, but alas will not gain traction....

The great and powerful is hoping his support base will be as blind to the science as he is

I will not be at all surprised if standards and protocols were not adhered to, this needs to be investigated, and should be independently carried out at arms length from the great and powerful   

This should be beyond partisan politics as people are dying the world is dislocated, the poor are once again being disproportionately impacted, it not a time for settling scores.

 

[Surelynot]

If it's in the Daily Fail it will be worth checking other sources to verify for sure.

[rabas]

The US and others were worried about the Wuhan Lab as far back as 2018 and issued warnings.

 

Then In February 2020, after the virus got out, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology issued urgent rules requiring laboratories nationwide boost their biosafety. (!)

 

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1179747.shtml#.XknFGEy9bwI.twitter

 

Chinese scientists found a bat virus closest to SARS in Yunnan province 2000 km from Wuhan. They brought it to Wuhan where they have studied it for years. Now, the new nCoV-2019 virus shows up on the doorstep of the Wuhan lab and is much closer to the bat virus than to SARS.   ?

 

More from Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

 

True cringe worthy:

In 2015, a team including scientists from the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.

 

(there's more in wiki for the brave hearted)

Edited April 15, 2020 by rabas

[rabas]

14 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

The great and powerful is hoping his support base will be as blind to the science as he is

I will not be at all surprised if standards and protocols were not adhered to, this needs to be investigated, and should be independently carried out at arms length from the great and powerful   

This should be beyond partisan politics as people are dying the world is dislocated, the poor are once again being disproportionately impacted, it not a time for settling scores.

If it should be beyond partisan politics, then why are you the only one running on about Trump?

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

If it should be beyond partisan politics, then why are you the only one running on about Trump?

Because I am NOT him, he is the one blaming others, and not accepting responsibility for his role in the USA crisis, and blaming others. He is one who needs to cease being partisan, imho

I did not mention anyone by name 

Edited April 15, 2020 by RJRS1301

[Schlepenstein]

There's an interesting video on YouTube on the subject titled "I Found The Source of the Coronavirus".  

[silver sea]

Two articles in one below. First one shows the Chinese scientist called Batwoman (see photo below). She seems genuine, but naive, when she says that she has checked the records and swears with her life that the virus did not come from lab ... a bit like saying in BritEng: “God’s honest truth” or “I swear on my children’s lives”. ... yeah, right!

 

The second article, by different Mail journalists, is more damning.

“According to documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday, scientists there experimented on bats as part of a project funded by the US National Institutes of Health, which continues to licence the Wuhan laboratory to receive American money for experiments.”

 

The US funding to Wuhan lab totalled, apparently, $3.7 million.

“US Congressman Matt Gaetz said: 'I'm disgusted to learn that for years the US government has been funding dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute, which may have contributed to the global spread of coronavirus, and research at other labs in China that have virtually no oversight from US authorities.' ”

 

One expert says that although Wuhan was supposed to be level 4 (highest level), in reality it was on level 2 in terms of security and safety. Although the lab did not create the virus, its laxity meant the virus was able to escape from there while being analysed.

 

Also 13 of the first 41 people infected in Wuhan did not catch it from the market!

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210951/Beijing-authorities-hushed-findings-Chinese-scientist.html

 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by silver sea

[rabas]

52 minutes ago, silver sea said:

Also 13 of the first 41 people infected in Wuhan did not catch it from the market!

The non market cases pre date the market cases. The presumed patient 0 for all 41 was identified December 1, never went to the market, and had no contact with those who did. Another issue the Chinese initially lied about. Later leaked documents showed the  earliest known case was from November 17. 

 

Combining all the information, is seems more plausible that someone in the lab was the first to be infected.

Edited April 15, 2020 by rabas

[silver sea]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

The non market cases pre date the market cases. The presumed patient 0 for all 41 was identified December 1, never went to the market, and had no contact with those who did. Another issue the Chinese initially lied about. Later leaked documents showed the  earliest known case was from November 17. 

 

Combining all the information, is seems more plausible that someone in the lab was the first to be infected.

The latest!:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8220887/China-concealed-coronavirus-trying-evade-blame-says-ex-MI6-chief-John-Sawers.html

[Chelseafan]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

If it's in the Daily Fail it will be worth checking other sources to verify for sure.

Yep, my motto exactly.

 

[silver sea]

Here is an article which believes the West is wrong about China’s responsibility for the virus, which includes the following comments:

 

“A recent study conducted by British and German scientists found the virus has three variants, A, B and C, of which A was the root of the outbreak. The authors discovered that variant A was found in Americans who had lived in Wuhan, as well as other American and Australian patients. Only variant B was found in Wuhan. Variant C was common in Europe but not found in China. 
 

The British-German study was more in line with the January Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences one that found the coronavirus has five strains – A, B, C, D and E. In the earlier study, only C was found in Wuhan but all five existed in the US. Both the British/German and Chinese analyses agreed that A was the root of the outbreak.”

 

 

https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/blaming-china-reveals-wests-weaknesses/

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by silver sea

[silver sea]

On 4/15/2020 at 4:04 PM, Surelynot said:If it's in the Daily Fail it will be worth checking other sources to verify for sure.

 

On 4/15/2020 at 7:23 PM, Chelseafan said:

Yep, my motto exactly.

 

It is worth looking at rabas’s comments post #8 above.

 

And here is an article by The Washington Post. The Chinese are trying to put the blame on the Wuhan wet market. The Americans are becoming more convinced that it was a lab accident in Wuhan Institute of Virology, which resulted in the infection spreading into the town. A number of cables were issued by the State Department warning the US government that the lab was not following safety protocols and should be helped to rectify their laxness. Unfortunately, at the time, no further action was taken.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

[Chelseafan]

42 minutes ago, silver sea said:

 

It is worth looking at rabas’s comments post #8 above.

 

And here is an article by The Washington Post. The Chinese are trying to put the blame on the Wuhan wet market. The Americans are becoming more convinced that it was a lab accident in Wuhan Institute of Virology, which resulted in the infection spreading into the town. A number of cables were issued by the State Department warning the US government that the lab was not following safety protocols and should be helped to rectify their laxness. Unfortunately, at the time, no further action was taken.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

No access to Washington post unless you're a subscriber.

 

[metempsychotic]

3 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

No access to Washington post unless you're a subscriber.

 

Or use incognito mode to bypass the paywall

Edited April 16, 2020 by metempsychotic

[Chelseafan]

12 minutes ago, metempsychotic said:

Or use incognito mode to bypass the paywall

how do you do that?

 

[metempsychotic]

36 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

how do you do that?

 

Paste the link into incognito mode on chrome.

 

Or in android long press the link and select open in incognito mode.

 

Or, on pc, right click and select open in incognito mode in the context menu.

 

I dont do apple,  so I cant help you there, but behaviors should be identical.

Edited April 16, 2020 by metempsychotic

[yogavnture]

On 4/15/2020 at 8:15 AM, ThailandRyan said:

Looks like the US is fighting back in the PR campaign against China's PR ...oh this should be interesting, but alas will not gain traction....

but alas will not gain traction.  can you see the future?  i thought not.  the world is gonna be going after china..............gangland style

[Traubert]

25 minutes ago, yogavnture said:

but alas will not gain traction.  can you see the future?  i thought not.  the world is gonna be going after china..............gangland style

Until the story about the lab at Fort Detrick in Maryland comes out plus victims 1 -5.

 

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

????????????

[Chelseafan]

2 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

Paste the link into incognito mode on chrome.

 

Or in android long press the link and select open in incognito mode.

 

Or, on pc, right click and select open in incognito mode in the context menu.

 

I dont do apple,  so I cant help you there, but behaviors should be identical.

Thanks. Useful to know.

 

[silver sea]

12 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

No access to Washington post unless you're a subscriber.

 

 

Thank you for taking an interest in my thread. I am not a subscriber to Washington Post.

 

Try this link to Yahoo News:

https://apple.news/ADT0FYUceQsqUv6TvQgO9ig
 

Business Insider:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-investigating-chinese-lab-covid-19-theory-2020-4

 

Also The Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11410276/china-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-leak-mike-pompeo-us/

 

The Daily Mail gives good summary. I know you are not interested in DM, but three quarters of the way down in that article, it provides a link to the Washington Post article. Presumably, as most Daily Mail readers are not registered with the Washington Post, you can read the WP article without being blocked, or having to register your name first.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8223779/Coronavirus-originated-bungled-experiments-Wuhan-lab-bombshell-report-claims.html

Edited April 17, 2020 by silver sea

[silver sea]

Quite a long article, which includes looking  at China’s history of reproducing viruses from previous decades. One of the examples: 

 

“In 1977 a strange strain of flu started infecting people in Northern China. The symptoms — mostly not fatal — duplicated those of a flu type last seen two decades before and thought extinct ...

 

.... Genetic tests by virologists indicated this was indeed the same ‘extinct’ flu from the late 1950s. In its prime, the strain had been so widespread that anyone alive was likely to have been exposed to it and developed immunity.

Where had it been for two decades? And why the comeback?“

 

Although the article is quite long it names patient zero who may have leaked the virus outside and also looks at Batwoman (again) Shi Zengli (Remember her?!):

 

“Another expert argued ‘it could not possibly be a natural mutation’.

The new coronavirus was not naturally occurring at all, they argued. It had been artificially ‘manipulated’ in a laboratory so that it could enter and destroy human cells.

 

And the person allegedly at the centre of this sinister manipulation was the Institute of Virology’s famed ‘bat woman’, Shi Zengli.”

 

“The brilliant Ms Zengli had other research interests and was experimenting in synthetic viruses which could pass from animals to humans.“

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8231467/Chinas-deadly-legacy-exposed-Major-new-series-sorts-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-facts.html
 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by silver sea

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 minutes ago, silver sea said:

Quite a long article, which includes looking  at China’s history of reproducing viruses from previous decades. One of the examples: 

 

“In 1977 a strange strain of flu started infecting people in Northern China. The symptoms — mostly not fatal — duplicated those of a flu type last seen two decades before and thought extinct ...

 

.... Genetic tests by virologists indicated this was indeed the same ‘extinct’ flu from the late 1950s. In its prime, the strain had been so widespread that anyone alive was likely to have been exposed to it and developed immunity.

Where had it been for two decades? And why the comeback?“

 

Although the article is quite long it names patient zero who may have leaked the virus outside and also looks at Batwoman (again) Shi Zengli (Remember her?!):

 

“Another expert argued ‘it could not possibly be a natural mutation’.

The new coronavirus was not naturally occurring at all, they argued. It had been artificially ‘manipulated’ in a laboratory so that it could enter and destroy human cells.

 

And the person allegedly at the centre of this sinister manipulation was the Institute of Virology’s famed ‘bat woman’, Shi Zengli.”
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8231467/Chinas-deadly-legacy-exposed-Major-new-series-sorts-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-facts.html
 

 

 

 

Behind bat woman is batman.

 

[silver sea]

Photographs taken inside Wuhan lab!!!

 

Shocking photos from inside Wuhan lab show broken seal on unit which stores 1,500 virus strains - including the bat coronavirus behind the deadly pandemic. “
 

“The sources believe that ‘Patient Zero’ was an intern at the lab, who spread the virus into the local population after infecting her boyfriend.”

 

 

“However, one political source said that there was ‘growing scientific curiosity’ over the symptoms of a marked loss of taste and smell in many victims of Covid-19. 

‘This might – only might – indicate a level of human interference,’ the source said.”

 

Also letter from Chinese Embassy in London to Mail on Sunday 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233185/Shock-photos-inside-Wuhan-lab-stores-1-500-virus-strains.html

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by silver sea

[WalkingOrders]

Strange thing about the truth. It always finds a way into the light.

And despotic regimes will always crash. Including those around the world who pay people to post propaganda on their behalf. They who already are coming to the defense of the CCP. All over this board every single day. They do this inspite of the threat to Taiwan, Hong Kong, the South Sea, and the entire world. This article claims nothing as absolute truth, only talks about what is being investigated, but they can't even handle that. Yeah you know you are!

[brokenbone]

normally i dont fancy conspiracy theories but this one has merit