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On 6/14/2020 at 9:43 PM, CRUNCHER said:

I am not a virologist and I do not pretend to understand the technical data. However, that article seems very long allegation and very short on evidence or substance; a lot of jumping to conclusions. When a lot of the allegations come from someone who is not prepared to put his/her name to the allegations there is a huge credibility gap.

But one might also say that of current mainstream arguments- from origin to mask wearing.

 

Unless and until cast iron proof exists on the origin of the coronavirus- as it has in all other outbreaks- then any plausible explanation must be fairly heard.

 

Remember, a couple of months ago people reacted incredulously to the suggestion that covid 19 was around before the outbreak in Wuhan, but even the Chinese authorities are now admitting it was not the site of origin, but rather the first super spreading event.

 

I personally find it very difficult to believe that one solitary animal infected just one human, and there does not seem to have been consistent infection as one might expect if a species were causing the problem.

 

 

 

 

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On 6/19/2020 at 10:42 AM, silver sea said:

“And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.


If that happened in Wuhan, that gives the lab origin a much bigger plausibility.

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No worries. We will deal with that too, like it ain't sh**!

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25 minutes ago, Monomial said:

That bastion of unbiased reporting and understatement, the Daily Express, ran a story today on this topic.  The issue isn't so much what they said in the article, which has been tossed around now for a while by various people, but the fact that having reached mainstream news publications now without apology, this idea can no longer be considered just a conspiracy theory.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1305988/Coronavirus-cover-up-china-experiment-theories-lab-wuhan-COVID-19-contagious

 

It appears increasingly likely that this virus may indeed have been the result of GOF (Gain of Function) research by Chinese scientists, and this would definitely explain much of what the world has been seeing in terms of samples in wastewater long before the virus was supposedly found in Wuhan. It would explain why the Chinese were so reticent to admit to the problem, why the world so completely overreacted to it when it did become public, and even why Trump has been convinced since day 1 this was the fault of the Chinese. These all have individual explanations outside the GOF hypothesis, but they are obvious reactions if you assume that people at the very top eschelons of power knew this information from the beginning and just didn't tell us.

 

Like most people I thought the GOF engineering explanation was simply conspiratorial at first, but the continuing preponderance of data points pushing towards a GOF research experiment gone awry is very hard to discount.

I noticed 'The bastion of unbiased reporting and understatement, the Daily Express' has a horoscope section, too - that is probably the part of this publication with the least bias and most credible facts, everything else.........mehhh!

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6 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

I noticed 'The bastion of unbiased reporting and understatement, the Daily Express' has a horoscope section, too - that is probably the part of this publication with the least bias and most credible facts, everything else.........mehhh!

 

Obviously that particular definition was intended to be sarcastic. In this case they do basically admit in the article that the information in the article came from the Sunday Times, so one might give it slightly higher credibility.

 

"shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators in the lab at the time of the experiment is likely to be responsible for the outbreak, the Sunday Times has found."

 

But again, there is nothing inherently ground breaking in any of this. People of varying credibility have been tossing these ideas around for months. What I find compelling in this case is that this is no longer a fringe movement. It has apparently gone mainstream to the point where nobody feels ashamed to speak about it any longer.

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Well I think countries such as USA, UK, and Australia have already made their mind up.  And i can't say I disagree.  Even if entirely innocent with regard to the initial outbreak, the ultra secretive, and sometimes downright misleading behaviour makes it impossible to engage in any meaningful political/commercial process.

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47 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Obviously that particular definition was intended to be sarcastic. In this case they do basically admit in the article that the information in the article came from the Sunday Times, so one might give it slightly higher credibility.

 

"shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators in the lab at the time of the experiment is likely to be responsible for the outbreak, the Sunday Times has found."

 

But again, there is nothing inherently ground breaking in any of this. People of varying credibility have been tossing these ideas around for months. What I find compelling in this case is that this is no longer a fringe movement. It has apparently gone mainstream to the point where nobody feels ashamed to speak about it any longer.

There are so many fringe nuts on TV, it's difficult to discern what's sarcasm around here and what is believed as fact - but happy to hear you intended it as sarcasm.

 

That said - wildly speculating about possible scenarios is not productive or credible, to wit 'is likely to be responsible' is phraseology for 'we are clueless, but we like to slander the Chinese anyway......'

Same goes for 'the Sunday Times has found." - the Sunday Times now has a bunch of scientists that are investigating and are experts on lab technician qualifications and lab security? If the 'the Sunday Times has found." tomorrow the earth is flat is just as credible.........still does not make the earth flat!

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1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

There are so many fringe nuts on TV, it's difficult to discern what's sarcasm around here and what is believed as fact - but happy to hear you intended it as sarcasm.

 

That said - wildly speculating about possible scenarios is not productive or credible, to wit 'is likely to be responsible' is phraseology for 'we are clueless, but we like to slander the Chinese anyway......'

Same goes for 'the Sunday Times has found." - the Sunday Times now has a bunch of scientists that are investigating and are experts on lab technician qualifications and lab security? If the 'the Sunday Times has found." tomorrow the earth is flat is just as credible.........still does not make the earth flat!

We're hardly in flat earth territory though!!!

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Here is another brave Chinese lady. Born in China she is a well known Chinese-American investigative reporter. She has produced a 1 hour documentary summarizing all her research on the SARS2 outbreak. It has over a million views so far.

 

She works with the Epoch Times and New Tang Dynasty Television both under a broad based Western Chinese News media conglomerate. 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

It would seem that several scientists from the Wuhan lab have defected and they are being interviewed by American, British and European agencies, so we may not have to wait too long for conclusive evidence that it was leakage from the lab that caused the pandemic. However, it seems that Steve Bannon is involved in the investigation 555 so any conclusions in the report will have his fingerprints all over them.

 

 

 

Steve Bannon Quotes from article:

“It’s not that hard for these viruses to get out. That is why these labs are so dangerous.”

 

“‘You essentially had a biological Chernobyl in Wuhan, but the centre of gravity, the Ground Zero, was round the Wuhan lab, in terms of the casualty rates. And like Chernobyl, you also had the cover-up – the state apparatus reports to itself and just protects itself.’“

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513631/Scientis

ts-Wuhan-virus-lab-defected-West-reveals-Steve-Bannon.html

 

But you may remember from post #28 on page 2 of this thread that I posted an article which had photos of the lax hygiene standards of the Wuhan lab: “I have seen better seals on my fridge.”

 

One of the photos from that article is below.

 

I am reposting the link to the article here so you don’t need to track back to page 2 to read it:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233185/Shock-photos-inside-Wuhan-lab-stores-1-500-virus-strains.html

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Not sure if a leaking seal on a fridge is important. The virus would still have been frozen and immobilized. Electric bill was probably higher.

 

More likely some contact occurred while doing tests and/or the test animals were not disposed of correctly. In other words, sloppy techs, human error or corruption.

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Chinese scientist seeks refuge in US because of her postings about the origin of coronavirus in Wuhan.

 

Quotes:

‘I could not stay silent. I could see China was covering up the truth and I had to do something since I was a professional who could explain it.’

 

 

Chinese public health officials who pointed the finger at the market on January 1 eventually admitted four months later that the virus did not erupt on the site after a series of studies challenged their claims.
 

Dr Yan says she could see there was a cover-up with ‘terrible things’ happening. ‘The market was a smokescreen. I knew I had to somehow deliver a message to the world but I didn’t want to be disappeared before I could deliver my warning.’

 

Dr Yan remains defiant. ‘My parents have told me not to harm my country. But I had to do this as a doctor and as a scientist. I have to tell the world about the cover-up. If I did nothing, how would I live with myself?’

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631159/Coronavirus-scientist-reveals-fled-home-family-tell-world-truth.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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