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The non market cases pre date the market cases. The presumed patient 0 for all 41 was identified December 1, never went to the market, and had no contact with those who did. Another issue the Chinese

If it should be beyond partisan politics, then why are you the only one running on about Trump?

The US and others were worried about the Wuhan Lab as far back as 2018 and issued warnings.   Then In February 2020, after the virus got out, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology i

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President Donald Trump made the explosive charge that the coronavirus that has caused millions of infections and wreaked havoc on the global economy may have been created in a Chinese lab – and cast doubt on likely scenarios it jumped from animals to humans.”

 

The lab he is referring to is, of course, the Institute of Virology in Wuhan where Shi Zenghli (aka Bat Woman) works.

 

 

“According to Reuters, a range of options are being discussed to punish China, with the State Department, White House National Security Council, Treasury Department and Pentagon, developing options.'There is a discussion as to how hard to hit China and how to calibrate it properly,' a source said.”

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8275837/Donald-Trump-says-seen-evidence-coronavirus-started-Wuhan-virology-laboratory.html

 

 

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“Bombshell 'Five Eyes' Western intelligence dossier claims China lied about human-to-human transmission, 'disappeared' whistle-blowers and refused to help other countries prepare a vaccine for coronavirus”

 

“It describes how Beijing was outwardly downplaying the outbreak on the world stage while secretly scrambling to bury all traces of the disease.

 

‘This involved 'destroying' laboratory samples, bleaching wet market stalls, censoring the growing evidence of 'silent carriers' of the virus and stonewalling sample requests from other countries.”

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html

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2 hours ago, AverageBloke said:

Im not sure how factual the below article is but it certainly poses some interesting questions if true.                            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741%3famp=1

This is an MSM article twisting the long history of China-US collaborative infectious disease research to make Trump look bad in something he plays no role in.


The truth is this research goes back many years. In 2014 the US placed a moratorium on dangerous SARS research. IN 2014 Bat Woman successfully engineered a deadly virus that could infect humans by combining SARS and bat viruses, then in 2015 published the work with US authors.


At the time many scientists warned of the dangers of such work while others said the work had merit.


The Wuhan lab continued and in 2017 discovered bat viruses in a Yunnan cave that they said posed a threat to mankind. The continued to collect and research these bats and viruses. I have read they kept  thousands.

 

In 2018 a US delegation visited the labs and labs warned of serious security lapses.

 

In mid 2019 the US also warned China of concern over the work in the labs. There is also a CCP military lab on site whose work is ostensibly defensive in nature, as all governments say.


Bat Woman WIKI       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli

 

The article is also factually wrong on the key issue when the gain of function work was done.

 

In 2014, Shi Zhengli collaborated on additional gain-of-function experiments led by Ralph S. Baric of the University of North Carolina, which showed that two critical mutations that the MERS coronavirus possesses allow it to bind to the human ACE2 receptor.

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You may remember two months ago Bat Woman said: 'I promise with my life that the virus has nothing to do with the lab'.
 

This article covers 5 different things:

 

1. “During the past month, Wuhan's Institute of Virology has removed photographs of scientists working in its laboratories and edited out references to visits by US diplomats who subsequently raised the alarm about the laboratory's work on bats. ”


 

2. Inside the caves where Covid-19 began 
 

3. Bat Woman denies that she has fled China over Covid-19 and defected to Europe with a secret dossier about the outbreak. 
 

4. Wuhan biosafety expert admits widespread security and maintenance concerns at China's top-secret labs which carry out research on lethal diseases.

 

5. International pressure was last night building on Beijing following the leak of a bombshell intelligence dossier which accuses China of having lied about the origins of Covid-19 – and cites evidence that the virus was passed to humans via the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

Click link below to read the article in full:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8281085/Wuhan-virus-lab-cover-up.html

 

 

 

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Interesting article on the origin of Chinesebwet markets like the one in Wuhan.

 

“The cages are stacked one on top of another. Animals at the bottom are often soaked with all kinds of liquid, animal excrement, pus, blood, whatever the liquid they are receiving from the animals above.”
 

in 1988, the government made a decision that changed the shape of the wildlife trade in China. The law also encouraged the “ ... domestication and breeding of wildlife.  if you designate the wildlife as natural resources, that means it’s something that can be used for human benefit... Small local farms turned into industrial-sized operations, and bigger populations meant greater chances that a sick animal could spread disease.”
 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1271853/china-illegal-animal-trade-coronavirus-covid19-bats-pangolin-wuhan-seafood-market-spt

 

 

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Further to the post just above, here is an article about Sir David Attenborough’s investigation into the pangolin black market. Those who believe that the virus originated in the wet market and not in Bat Woman’s Institute of Virology, argue that the pangolin caught the virus from the bats and passed it onto humans in Wuhan.
 

“These small, soft animals have been under threat from poachers for decades, as their scales are used in Chinese traditional medicines to treat the likes of anxiety and hysteria in children and women thought to be possessed by devils and ogres. Though illegal to poach and trade, pangolin meat is prized as a delicacy in parts of China, tipped to have nutritional value to aid kidney function and is often found on restaurant menus as the most expensive dish.“

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1271279/china-david-attenborough-pangolin-asia-africa-black-market-bbc-documentary-coronavirus-spt

 

 

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I have a suggestion Mr Silver Sea.

 

Instead of a conspiracy based on what the UK's Daily Naz.....sorry Mail says why not go for the more credible Beano or Dandy?

 

Are they still running the "Column Of Shame" in the DM?

 

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On 4/15/2020 at 8:37 AM, silver sea said:

 


“A study by the Wuhan Institute of Virology, published in February 2020 in the scientific journal Nature, found that the genetic make-up virus samples found in patients in China is 96 per cent identical to a coronavirus they found in bats.

 

However, there were not many bats at the market so scientists say it was likely there was an animal which acted as a middle-man, contracting it from a bat before then transmitting it to a human. It has not yet been confirmed what type of animal this was.

 

Dr Michael Skinner, a virologist at Imperial College London, was not involved with the research but said: 'The discovery definitely places the origin of nCoV in bats in China.

 

'We still do not know whether another species served as an intermediate host to amplify the virus, and possibly even to bring it to the market, nor what species that host might have been.' “
 

 

But the scientists can’t identify the intermediate animal. So may be that’s because there is no middle animal.

 

An alternative theory is therefore it came from the Wuhan research lab

 

 

 

Scientists did not say that an animal was the likely intermediary because there weren't many bats at the market. Geneticists concluded that an animal must have acted as an intermediary because the original Bat virus is not designed to infect human cells, it can't do so because of its design. In order for it to be able to do so it had to mutate in an animal carrier. Some time must have passed for the virus to mutate within an animal carrier to the extent it was able to attack human cells.

 

This could have been a cat, a ferret, a pig, many options. Obviously you can't find that animal carrier, how would you do that? But it would appear certain that an animal must have carried the virus for some time.

 

You have also mentioned the research by Dr Peter Forster from Cambridge. If you read that research you will see that the virus did not originate in Wuhan, the A variant is found in Guangdong however.

 

The problem with the lab hypothesis is precisely that the virus had to mutate, which takes time, in an animal, since the Bat coronavirus can not infect humans.

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4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The problem with the lab hypothesis is precisely that the virus had to mutate, which takes time, in an animal, since the Bat coronavirus can not infect humans.

IIRC the research Batwoman was doing was exactly on the mutations allowing coronaviruses to infect humans?

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25 minutes ago, Traubert said:

I have a suggestion Mr Silver Sea.

 

Instead of a conspiracy based on what the UK's Daily Naz.....sorry Mail says why not go for the more credible Beano or Dandy?

 

Are they still running the "Column Of Shame" in the DM?

 

 

The last two articles are Daily Express not Daily Mail. Links to other sources of information are also on this thread.
 

I have a suggestion Mr Traubert.

 

It would be helpful if you could tell us how you believe the virus originated and provide some links to support your opinion, rather than simply sneering at other people’s opinions and efforts to keep those, who are genuinely interested, up to date on what’s happening.

 

If you can’t be bothered to do that, then perhaps you should get back on your ‘naughty step’ for another snooze. 

 

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24 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

IIRC the research Batwoman was doing was exactly on the mutations allowing coronaviruses to infect humans?

Batwoman has said that none of the virus genomes that were in Wuhan matched her team's samples genetically.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

 

She has also said that humans can get a coronavirus direct from a bat, something that geneticists in the west have found not to be the case.

 

I understand she did test if coronaviruses can infect human cells in a petri dish.

 

However, she said that she did so in order to find out if a virus was a danger to humans. Her whole effort in tracing coronaviruses was a response to the SARS pandemic, and intended to indentify coronavirus pathogens before they turn into a pandemic.

 

Apparently there are 5000 coronaviruses in Bats. The potential for further pandemics is huge.

 

Pigs are apparently the number one candidate as intermediaries, though civets have already had the honour.

 

 

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Anyway it looks like it was Batwoman who was the one who confirmed beyond doubt that the SARS virus came from bats.

 

And she apparently also did key research on medicines for SARS Cov2.

 

Rather than an attempt to weaponize the virus it would appear her work was designed to prevent a pandemic. If she unwittingly caused one is another question.

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18 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Batwoman has said that none of the virus genomes that were in Wuhan matched her team's samples genetically.

If you were living in CCP China, what would you say? 

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