Jump to content

Wuhan lab testing bats for coronavirus had sloppy safety precautions


Recommended Posts

 

Is this article proof that China was in the grip of Covid MONTHS before it told the world? Satellite photographs of a hospital car park in coronavirus epicentre suggests pandemic was already taking hold


 

Quotes:

“... a team of researchers from Harvard and Boston Universities are doing. They have so far pored over 111 images of medical facilities in the place where the coronavirus pandemic began — and those pictures appear to reveal a trend.

 

‘Namely that, from August last year, something was making those medical facilities much busier than normal.

 

‘This exercise in ‘digital epidemiology’ was published this week, adding to suspicions that the virus was making people ill far earlier than previously thought.

 

‘Officially, China first reported a cluster of cases on New Year’s Eve. It later told the World Health Organisation that the earliest symptoms for those patients dated back to December 8.“


 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416163/Satellite-photos-hospital-car-park-China-suggests-pandemic-taking-hold-October.html
 

 

Under ThaiVisa rules, we cannot pist links to blogs because they are not considered trustworthy. Rules is rules, no problem.

 

If however you google Dr Joseph Mercola Why Was Wuhan Lab Locked Down When Outbreak Began? you will see link to article that apparently fron October 14 until October 19, there was no mobile activity in the area around the Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory at all, and between October 7 and October 24, there was no activity inside the Institute itself.

 

We cannot quote or discuss the Mercola link on this thread, but it is worth reading the article for more information about the Chinese jiggery pokery. 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 154
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

The non market cases pre date the market cases. The presumed patient 0 for all 41 was identified December 1, never went to the market, and had no contact with those who did. Another issue the Chinese

If it should be beyond partisan politics, then why are you the only one running on about Trump?

The US and others were worried about the Wuhan Lab as far back as 2018 and issued warnings.   Then In February 2020, after the virus got out, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology i

Posted Images

1 hour ago, silver sea said:

This nerd is discussed by Dr Joseph Mercola.

If this is the same Dr Mercola who is a funder of the anti-vaccine movement, and at the same time sells vitamins and minerals as "alternatives to vaccines" for the likes of measles etc, then I wouldn't believe anything that he says. 

 

Dr. Joseph Mercola has also been ordered to stop illegal claims about some of the products he sells and is generally considered to be a "quack".
 

 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, xylophone said:

If this is the same Dr Mercola who is a funder of the anti-vaccine movement, and at the same time sells vitamins and minerals as "alternatives to vaccines" for the likes of measles etc, then I wouldn't believe anything that he says. 

 

Dr. Joseph Mercola has also been ordered to stop illegal claims about some of the products he sells and is generally considered to be a "quack".
 

 

 

 


Hello xylophone. I see that you don’t like the cut of Dr Mercola’s jib; it’s true that he seems to have sailed close to the wind on some occasions e.g. tanning beds.

 

For myself, I have found his advice on intermittent and ketofasting helpful. I was 120 kgs and was able to lose 40 kgs. I also followed his advice on oil pulling, which is swilling extra virgin coconut oil around in your mouth for 20 minutes each day. This is much more healthy than using alcohol based mouth wash. Also his advice on getting a good night’s sleep (no computers or electronic devices in the bedroom).

 

It doesn’t mean that I agree with everything that he writes, and I choose not to buy his vitamin pills and tablets. His daily emails are free, so I guess he has to make his income by selling products. It would seem that plenty of people are happy to buy his stuff over many years. Good luck to them.

 

For those readers who, like xylophone, don’t like Dr Mercola, I have done an internet search and found an article by Steven Mosher. It explains why the Nerd Scientist believes that Dr Shi Zhingli (Bat Woman) cannot be believed or trusted about the virus strain RaTG13.

 

https://www.pop.org/was-the-coronavirus-created-by-chinese-scientist-who-tried-to-cover-her-tracks-and-failed/
 

So thank you xylophone for your post, as it nudged me to find a very good and interesting alternative. 

 

 

 

 

Edited by silver sea
Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, silver sea said:


i see you do’t like the cut of Dr Mercola’s jib; it’s true he seems to have sailed close to the wind on some occasions e.g. tanning beds.

 

For myself, I have found his advice on intermittent and ketofasting helpful. I was 120 kgs and was able to lose 40 kgs. I also followed his advice on oil pulling, which is swilling extra virgin coconut oil around in your mouth for 20 minutes each day. This is much more healthy than using alcohol based mouth wash. Also his advice on getting a good night’s sleep (no computers or electronic devices in the bedroom).

 

For those readers who, like xylophone, don’t like Dr Mercola, I have done an internet search and found an article by Steven Mosher. It explains why the Nerd Scientist believes that Dr Shi Zhingli (Bat Woman) cannot be believed or trusted about the virus strain RaTG13.

 

https://www.pop.org/was-the-coronavirus-created-by-chinese-scientist-who-tried-to-cover-her-tracks-and-failed/
 

So thank you xylophone for your post, as it nudged me to find a very good and interesting alternative. 

 

 

 

 

I am not a virologist and I do not pretend to understand the technical data. However, that article seems very long allegation and very short on evidence or substance; a lot of jumping to conclusions. When a lot of the allegations come from someone who is not prepared to put his/her name to the allegations there is a huge credibility gap.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
37 minutes ago, CRUNCHER said:

I am not a virologist and I do not pretend to understand the technical data. However, that article seems very long allegation and very short on evidence or substance; a lot of jumping to conclusions. When a lot of the allegations come from someone who is not prepared to put his/her name to the allegations there is a huge credibility gap.

 

 

The Nerd Scientist is probably Chinese and is living in China. Whistleblowers are being persecuted and are disappearing. It makes sense to remain anonymous. Here are some examples of what happened to others who dared to tell what they believe is the truth:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2

 

 

By the way, I hope that those who disapprove of Dr Mercola and of the Nerd Scientist found time to read the article by Ian Birrell, which appears at the top of post #122 above. That was the main purpose of that particular post.

 

My comment about Dr Mercola and The Nerd Scientist at the end of post #122 was offered as a possible explanation for something said by Ian Birrell, when he wrote: “I have even seen one unpublished paper questioning the validity of the Nature paper.”

 

Here is the link to his article, if you missed it previously when reading post #122. It is worth reading; you won’t need to think about Dr Mercola or the Nerd Scientist while doing so 😊:

 

 https://unherd.com/2020/06/so-where-did-covid-come-from/

 

 

 

Edited by silver sea
Ian Birrell
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Dr Shi Zenghli was born on 26th May 1964 and so is 24 days older than Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson who was born on 19th June 1964.

 

 

 

 

The video that follows the one above is interesting too. It is about US diplomatic cables, which warned that Wuhan Institute of Virology had sloppy safety precautions.

Apparently, she wrote on a Chinese messaging app, when the Wuhan Institute of Virology was accused of accidentally leaking the virus:

“The novel 2019 coronavirus is nature punishing the human race for keeping uncivilised living habits. I, Shi Zhengli, swear on my life that it has nothing to do with our laboratory ... I advise those who believe and spread rumours from harmful media sources … to shut their stinking mouths.”

 

... or as her equally reputable Gemini twin, Boris Johnson, would say, when dismissing media reports about his mistress and her abortion, that all these claims were an “inverted pyramid of piffle.”

 

 

7610B323-756E-44F7-B939-91C1CC11E604.jpeg
 

 

Edited by silver sea
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

This is an article by Steven Mosher. It is dated February 22nd. A lot has happened since then, but here is an interesting quote from the article:

 

Quote:

 

“And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

 

‘You heard me right.

 

‘Instead of properly disposing of infected animals by cremation, as the law requires, they sell them on the side to make a little extra cash. Or, in some cases, a lot of extra cash. One Beijing researcher, now in jail, made a million dollars selling his monkeys and rats on the live animal market, where they eventually wound up in someone’s stomach.“

 

 

 

https://www.pop.org/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

 

 

Does this offer a possible explanation for the current outbreak in Beijing?

 

Interestingly, over the last few days a rumour was spreading that the latest outbreak in Beijing had been caused by imported salmon. Norway’s imported salmon was cancelled last weekend. The accusation against salmon has now been withdrawn:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53089137

 

But why did imported salmon get accused of causing the outbreak in the first place? Most of the salmon comes from Norway and Norway has been in the news recently, or at least a scientific Norwegian paper was brought to public attention by Sir Richard Dearlove. He used to be the head of MI6, which is the UK’s most famous spying agency.

 

His comments were originally reported in the Daily Telegraph. I won’t provide a link to that newspaper, because it operates a pay wall, so most of you won’t be able to read the full article.

 

Instead, I will provide a link to the Daily Mail, which includes an analysis by the freelance investigative journalist John Naish. He explains why the Norwegian scientific paper does not provide conclusive evidence that the virus is man made and so Sir Richard Dearlove made a mistake in promoting it.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389809/Spy-chief-coronavirus-storm.html

 

Anyway, China is unlikely to have been pleased with Norwegian scientists, and so maybe this explains why imported salmon was blamed for the latest outbreak.
 

This is only my suggestion, no one else’s. However you may remember several months ago when the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, started to blame Wuhan Institute of Virology, rather than the Wuhan seafood, market. China responded by saying the outbreak was caused by a leak from a US lab. So here we go again, this time with the equally preposterous claim that imported salmon caused the latest outbreak in Beijing. 

 

 

Finally, for those who may not be entirely sure, this link explains the difference in meaning between coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19:
 

https://www.cleanlink.com/news/article/SARS-CoV-2-And-COVID-19-Whats-The-Difference--25264

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by silver sea
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

It's pretty obvious the Chinese were to blame in one way or another, but this isn't the issue, no use crying over spilt milk. Will they address the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again? Finger pointing takes us nowhere.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Yet more scientists who believe that the Sars-COV-2 was engineered in a lab.
 

It gives a brief history of virus escapes from supposedly secure labs.

 

It also looks at ‘passaging’ and ‘Gain of Function’ (GOF) In labs. These are scientific techniques, which turn viruses into dangerous pathogens which infect humans.
 

The aim of such experiments is to try to second guess in a lab how a virus might evolve naturally on its own. Scientists then have a lot more time to develop a vaccine to protect people. Unfortunately, if the artificially created virus leaks from the lab a pandemic disease may occur e.g. COVID-19.
 

Dr Shi Zenghli (Bat Woman) gets a mention in the article.

 

Quotes:

“And in February 2020, Scientific American interviewed Zheng-Li Shi. (Bat Woman) Accompanying the interview was a photograph of her releasing a captured bat. In the photo she is wearing a casual pink unzipped top layer, thin gloves, and no face mask or other protection. Yet this is the same researcher whose talks give ‘chilling’ warnings about the dire risks of human contact with bats.

 

‘All of which tends to confirm the original State Department assessment. As one anonymous “senior administration official”  told Rogin: 


“The idea that it was just a totally natural occurrence is circumstantial. The evidence it leaked from a lab is circumstantial. Right now, the ledger on the side of it leaking from the lab is packed with bullet points and there’s almost nothing on the other side.”

 

 

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/the-case-is-building-that-covid-19-had-a-lab-origin/

 

453C653A-29E8-4581-96F5-152AD9FFB448.jpeg

Edited by silver sea
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

It is not just the virus leaking from Wuhan labs that is infecting the West. Here is a UK example of what is really going on in the background: high level Chinese corruption among the UK elite.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8472973/Pro-Beijing-business-group-sues-claims-book-British-elite-groomed-China.html
 

http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/29/WS5e804e26a310128217282c6c.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Daily
 

And a US example relating to a top academic from Harvard.

Quote:

“What worries Andrew Lelling, U.S. attorney for the Massachusetts district, is that Lieber was allegedly paid to carry out research in China, which, combined with his failure to disclose those relationships, makes him potentially vulnerable to pressure from the Chinese government to do its bidding at some future point. “It was the amount of money involved that drew our attention,” Lelling says, referring to a 2012 contract included in court documents that indicates Lieber received $50,000 a month in salary and millions of dollars in research support. “That is a corrupting level of money.” “

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/us-prosecutor-leading-china-probe-explains-effort-led-charges-against-harvard-chemist


 

 

 

 

Edited by silver sea
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, silver sea said:

It is not just the virus leaking from Wuhan labs that is infecting the West. Here is a UK example of what is really going on in the background: high level Chinese corruption among the UK elite.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8472973/Pro-Beijing-business-group-sues-claims-book-British-elite-groomed-China.html
 

http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/29/WS5e804e26a310128217282c6c.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Daily
 

And a US example relating to a top academic from Harvard.

Quote:

“What worries Andrew Lelling, U.S. attorney for the Massachusetts district, is that Lieber was allegedly paid to carry out research in China, which, combined with his failure to disclose those relationships, makes him potentially vulnerable to pressure from the Chinese government to do its bidding at some future point. “It was the amount of money involved that drew our attention,” Lelling says, referring to a 2012 contract included in court documents that indicates Lieber received $50,000 a month in salary and millions of dollars in research support. “That is a corrupting level of money.” “

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/us-prosecutor-leading-china-probe-explains-effort-led-charges-against-harvard-chemist


 

 

 

 

Easy grants so the Chinese can then keep the info to themselves and steal some western intel while at it, combined with Wild East no rules safety standards. Yes, some will take the bait. They should be rewarded with stripping their nationality due to treason. One simply does not deal with commies.

Edited by DrTuner
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


×
×
  • Create New...