Pattaya: friends in shock as associates of British man asked to come forward in murder of Thai woman

[eddie61]

3 hours ago, petermik said:

Shocking case indeed and hopefully if he,s guilty (little doubt IMHO) he never sees light of day again....but why oh why do they have to drag him down to soi Buk. for a re-enactment when the actual murder took place miles away.......

The light is better for photography, with a more dramatic juxtaposition of colors and textures.........

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, petermik said:

Shocking case indeed and hopefully if he,s guilty (little doubt IMHO) he never sees light of day again....but why oh why do they have to drag him down to soi Buk. for a re-enactment when the actual murder took place miles away.......

maybe because of social distancing 555

[NYDawgPound]

3 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

And was he barefoot?

Drugs and prostitutes. Bloody mix.

IMO believe the Police have him barefoot because either he was arrested without shoes, or to make it more difficult to escape without shoes, running barefoot is difficult task indeed on concrete...

[Ohyesuare]

31 minutes ago, Greenhill said:

In addition to the other facts, what type of visa does a 48 year old have, 'with money'?   Where or how does he make his money?  RIP the lady!

Who cares. He gets a free prisoner visa now with an unlimited stay and no need for extensions or 90 day reports.

[Kerryd]

Probably barefoot because he probably left his home (after murdering the woman) wearing flipflops, which may have come off when he had the accident, or were removed after he was taken to the hospital.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Kerryd

[bendejo]

Not just that he took meth, but how much did he take?  If he does not do it often he may have no sense of his tolerance and did more than he could handle.  And then there's the coming down...

Oh yeah, and the insane paranoia, which is probably what the grisly assault was about.

 

 

[shy coconut]

4 hours ago, petermik said:

Shocking case indeed and hopefully if he,s guilty (little doubt IMHO) he never sees light of day again....but why oh why do they have to drag him down to soi Buk. for a re-enactment when the actual murder took place miles away.......

I think that when someone confesses to a crime, to make sure they have to go through

each stage of the crime, in this case where he was when he met the victim.

 

If his account of events matches witness statements or  CCTV evidence, then the

confession is more credible and there is more chance of a successful prosecution.

 

It is certainly different using these reenactments and somewhat unsavoury at times

but I see the logic behind it.

[shy coconut]

3 hours ago, jadee said:

That's a really good theory - could have been the alcohol ban that led him to experimenting. Definitely needs testing. They don't call it yaba for nothing. He could have been a first timer and unaware of the effects. Or, he could have used before and maybe the bar girl had a strong batch and he had a bad trip - I don't really know how it works. 

Theory, could have , I don't really know how it works, they don't call it yaba for nothing.

 

What exactly are you trying to say?

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Yea right Yaba turns people into murderers. Do you have any idea how much of this <deleted> is being consumed. They find millions upon millions of those tablets with checks. We can assume that this is only a minor part of what is sold. So there are countless users but almost no murders attributed to it. So its safe to say that 99,9% of the people can use it without becoming killers.  

 

It goes something like this if your an <deleted> in life your a bigger one on alcohol and or yaba or whatever other drug changes your inhibitions even goes for steroids some people become complete idiots when they use it while others have no problem. Its quite easy to blame the drug without knowing if he took it or just took alcohol. Even if he took the drug it does not change someone in a killer without something seriously being wrong already. Drugs just bring out stuff that is already there.

 

You yourself admit you dont know how it works. I do know how it works I did my share of drugs in the Netherlands so I got a pretty good idea how drugs work.

 

Drugs affect different people differently. Some drugs are far more addictive than others and some far more harmful to health and well being. Again, people's tolerance and reaction times will be different.

 

Personality changes, due to the affects on inhibitions, judgement and reasoning are common. Some may become more jovial, behave strange but harmless, etc. Others can become depressed, anti-social and downright violent. 

Those changes aren't always predictable nor are they consistent. Someone can have no issues with a drug and then one day something happens. Seen that a lot with big alcohol consumers.

 

A lot depends on the personality, state of mind, natural tendencies and mental state of the individual. Some people would always self harm, other would harm other people, in extreme situations. 

Drugs usually reduce an individuals ability to control and prevent extreme situations and reactions.

 

If you worked in nightclubs, or visited and don't drink, you can observe the physical changes in people's appearances and their behavior changes as more alcohol, and possibly other drugs are consumed. You also get used to spotting which ones are likely to be trouble.

 

We don't know how much alcohol and/or yaba this man consumed; or what his personality and tendency to violence was. Some people are violent, have violent tempers, and don't need any drug to stoke it.

[bander]

I bet the TV barstool detectives have bulletproof leads in this case and will solve it during the day as always.

[KhunBENQ]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

some may become more jovial, behave strange but harmless, etc. Others can become depressed, anti-social and downright violent. 

I have seen both the harmless and the violent types of alcohol addicts.

 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Drugs affect different people differently. Some drugs are far more addictive than others and some far more harmful to health and well being. Again, people's tolerance and reaction times will be different.

 

Personality changes, due to the affects on inhibitions, judgement and reasoning are common. Some may become more jovial, behave strange but harmless, etc. Others can become depressed, anti-social and downright violent. 

Those changes aren't always predictable nor are they consistent. Someone can have no issues with a drug and then one day something happens. Seen that a lot with big alcohol consumers.

 

A lot depends on the personality, state of mind, natural tendencies and mental state of the individual. Some people would always self harm, other would harm other people, in extreme situations. 

Drugs usually reduce an individuals ability to control and prevent extreme situations and reactions.

 

If you worked in nightclubs, or visited and don't drink, you can observe the physical changes in people's appearances and their behavior changes as more alcohol, and possibly other drugs are consumed. You also get used to spotting which ones are likely to be trouble.

 

We don't know how much alcohol and/or yaba this man consumed; or what his personality and tendency to violence was. Some people are violent, have violent tempers, and don't need any drug to stoke it.

My experience in Holland with drugs was mainly that it enhances what is inside. What i seen was pretty consistent same people who always got aggressive from alcohol responded bad to other drugs.

 

Of course you can see the physical changes I been around enough users to see the difference in people. For most people its harmless (not talking about health) but a select group that was already bad / violent / aggressive it will turn out really bad.

[smudger1951]

4 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I think alcohol ran out, this party girl offered yaba, he normally would say no and accepted this time. Then crazy.
Proper testing in hospital could show wether he used just once or more often.

We really need to know from their friends & associates who was familiar with using drugs in this case. 

[Bob A Kneale]

4 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

You need plenty of money in jail.

B9,000 is the most anyone can have in prison, and there's no access to any of it as cash!

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Greenhill said:

In addition to the other facts, what type of visa does a 48 year old have, 'with money'?   Where or how does he make his money?  RIP the lady!

Maybe one of those thai elite visas

[Bob A Kneale]

1 hour ago, Greenhill said:

In addition to the other facts, what type of visa does a 48 year old have, 'with money'?   Where or how does he make his money?  RIP the lady!

It's irrelevant but perhaps he was working here with a visa and WP, legally.  Perhaps he had an Investment Visa.

[malibukid]

looks like nutter.  why does Thailand attract these losers?  sad that some of the woman here are not more picky.  wonder if he had a police record.  Thailand needs to up its game in screening.  see many like him here in CM and try to avoid them. ticking time bombs.

Edited May 2, 2020 by malibukid

[Bob A Kneale]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Not just that he took meth, but how much did he take?  If he does not do it often he may have no sense of his tolerance and did more than he could handle.  And then there's the coming down...

Oh yeah, and the insane paranoia, which is probably what the grisly assault was about.

'Take your word for that!

[simtemple]

If he is found guilty, the death penalty would seem appropriate.

RIP Thai Lady 

[Walter Travolta]

4 hours ago, jadee said:

good theory

Yep only THEORY

 

4 hours ago, jadee said:

could have been the alcohol ban

Yep, COULD have, but unlikely seeing as those who want alcohol are finding it quite easy

 

4 hours ago, jadee said:

They don't call it yaba for nothing

Why do they call it Yaba? 

 

4 hours ago, jadee said:

He could have been a first timer and unaware of the effects

Again COULD have

 

4 hours ago, jadee said:

and maybe the bar girl had a strong batch and he had a bad trip

Yep, MAYBE

 

4 hours ago, jadee said:

I don't really know how it works

Obviously

 

I bet Poirot is shaking in his boots at the thought of you nicking his job!!

 

 

[Pedrogaz]

Who would want to come forward claiming to be a friend of this chap. He looks guilty.

[madmen]

Why do they need his friends? Case is a slam dunk. And who is stupid enough to involve themselves in a murder case in LOS  not me 

[Rimmer]

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[bigmac1]

Regardless of whatever excuses he comes up with, or how much money he has, if found guilty of these charges, should get the Death penalty. A life for a life, you live in a foreign country, you abide by their laws

 

[White Christmas13]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Yea right Yaba turns people into murderers. Do you have any idea how much of this <deleted> is being consumed. They find millions upon millions of those tablets with checks. We can assume that this is only a minor part of what is sold. So there are countless users but almost no murders attributed to it. So its safe to say that 99,9% of the people can use it without becoming killers.  

 

It goes something like this if your an <deleted> in life your a bigger one on alcohol and or yaba or whatever other drug changes your inhibitions even goes for steroids some people become complete idiots when they use it while others have no problem. Its quite easy to blame the drug without knowing if he took it or just took alcohol. Even if he took the drug it does not change someone in a killer without something seriously being wrong already. Drugs just bring out stuff that is already there.

 

You yourself admit you dont know how it works. I do know how it works I did my share of drugs in the Netherlands so I got a pretty good idea how drugs work.

https://www.cumberlandheights.org/blogs/is-yaba-dangerous/

[robblok]

14 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

https://www.cumberlandheights.org/blogs/is-yaba-dangerous/

The question is not is it dangerous.. it does damage to your body just like alcohol and other drugs. The question was more does it turn you into a killer. Given the wide spread use of it and the fact that the newspapers arent overflowing with articles about people turned into killers its not something that makes a killer out of you.

 

In recent times i seen as many murders by alcohol as by yabaa.

 

Do i think this is a good drug to take.. no I dont.. do i think it turns someone in a mindless killer nope I don't something must be seriously wrong with you before ever taking the drug for that to happen. 

[White Christmas13]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

The question is not is it dangerous.. it does damage to your body just like alcohol and other drugs. The question was more does it turn you into a killer. Given the wide spread use of it and the fact that the newspapers arent overflowing with articles about people turned into killers its not something that makes a killer out of you.

 

In recent times i seen as many murders by alcohol as by yabaa.

 

Do i think this is a good drug to take.. no I dont.. do i think it turns someone in a mindless killer nope I don't something must be seriously wrong with you before ever taking the drug for that to happen. 

The number of murders and armed robberies committed by people addicted to methamphetamine is "truly frightening", Western Australia's Chief Justice says.

Justice Wayne Martin said 95 per cent of armed robberies and up to half of all murders could be attributed to people taking methamphetamine, also known as ice or crystal meth.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-25/wa-chief-justice-says-ice-problem-truly-frightening/6261310

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

It is expected and even tolerated in some countries's holiday resorts that among the millions of tourists and the flotsam and jetsam of society that the odd screwball will commit a heinous crimes and Pattaya is no different... 

Although Pattaya does seem to have far more than most.  Wonder why that would be?

[thailand49]

6 hours ago, petermik said:

Shocking case indeed and hopefully if he,s guilty (little doubt IMHO) he never sees light of day again....but why oh why do they have to drag him down to soi Buk. for a re-enactment when the actual murder took place miles away.......

Just a push for Tree Town since many of the locals boys have investments.????

[brianthainess]

7 hours ago, Pilotman said:

because they like to pose and take the photos for the Police Gazette or whatever they call the rag. 

Buster ?