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Did they come all the way down from bangkok to lay 300 m2 grass rolls in Udon ?

 

Was the new grass rolled up to make sure that there would be contact between the new grass and the old surface ?

 

Hope it all works out well....

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Looks beautiful. 

We've had issues with our water supply lately, but even when water was aplenty it didn't look half as nice as yours. 

 

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Congratulations Marc on getting a first class Nuan Noi (Zoysia matrella) laid done.  I think your costs of 50 baht per sq m were reasonable. I agree with you that these days hardly any sod is attached to the roots of the Zoysia turfs. That can create problem in getting the turfs to strike.

 

I have had a bit of experience over the years with Zoysia lawns. In the beginning the turfs must be rolled heavily to press the turfs firmly into the soil. Most Thais do not do this. I hope your 9-man team firmly pressed the turfs into the soil in order for the turfs to strike well.

 

Now, that is the easy part. All newly laid turf lawns always look great in the beginning. It is the maintenance and management thereafterwards which is the most difficult. Heavy rains in July-September can water-log patches in your lawn. Then in Udorn you will have the long dry season from October to April which requires frequent watering. 

 

Mowing management is very important. I notice many lawns become a hay paddock before cutting is made. Other lawns are cut close to ground level. Cutting height varies from season to season. The same with fertiliser. It varies. What about lime? Soils in northeast Thailand need lime. 

 

Zoysia also becomes sod-bound with age, and will require some work to aerate the sods.

 

Anyway, all the best. Try to find a reel mower so when you cut your lawn you will get nice stripes in the lawn. 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hare said:

I have had a bit of experience over the years

 

I read your comment with great interest. Could you please advise which type of fertiliser would be most suitable for grass on limish ground. The grass was planted (?) around 12 years ago and it definitely needs something. I was thinking of first some kalium and after that other fertiser on a regular basis. Would 15-15-15 do you think ?

 

Thanks for your advise...

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3 hours ago, Halfaboy said:

 

I read your comment with great interest. Could you please advise which type of fertiliser would be most suitable for grass on limish ground. The grass was planted (?) around 12 years ago and it definitely needs something. I was thinking of first some kalium and after that other fertiser on a regular basis. Would 15-15-15 do you think ?

 

Thanks for your advise...

I don't really like to give avice from a distance. If the lawn is 12 years old it may be becoming very sod-bound. Bumpy when one walks across the lawn. It is now the beginning of the wet season. I would give it a hard, close mowing. The lawn will look very brown but after some cdecent rain it will green up, A normal NPK fertiliser (15:15:15) is normally okay. But these isaan soils are usually very K deficit and so a NPK fertilser with higher K would be beneficial Try 13:13:28. And maybe after every two months apply some urea but not too much. Urea will green up the top leaves but it is quickly is leached from the soil. Maybe sprinkle some sand across the top of the grass. This will make the grass creep out sideways more.

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Aeration is never wasted. +1 to the sand if there are any low spots.

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I've got a lot of lawn and been fighting an invasion of White Grubs for the past three seasons.  I've used Sevin up to now and the results have been less than stellar but I see a Scotts product called Grub-EX getting good reviews and would like to try it this year.  Problem is I can't locate a Scotts distributor - does anyone know who might carry it?  Anywhere in Thailand is OK.

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I can not help you with geeting hold of Grub-EX pesticide. What about trying lime? Many grubs hate lime as it burns them. Apply a very heavy dose of lime. Blanket the lawn with it so it looks like frost. About 1 kg per 5 sq m. I use a lot of lime on my lawns to raise the pH and besides an improved pH, I have no grubs.

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On 5/5/2020 at 10:46 AM, Michael Hare said:

Congratulations Marc on getting a first class Nuan Noi (Zoysia matrella) laid done.  I think your costs of 50 baht per sq m were reasonable. I agree with you that these days hardly any sod is attached to the roots of the Zoysia turfs. That can create problem in getting the turfs to strike.

 

I have had a bit of experience over the years with Zoysia lawns. In the beginning the turfs must be rolled heavily to press the turfs firmly into the soil. Most Thais do not do this. I hope your 9-man team firmly pressed the turfs into the soil in order for the turfs to strike well.

 

Now, that is the easy part. All newly laid turf lawns always look great in the beginning. It is the maintenance and management thereafterwards which is the most difficult. Heavy rains in July-September can water-log patches in your lawn. Then in Udorn you will have the long dry season from October to April which requires frequent watering. 

 

Mowing management is very important. I notice many lawns become a hay paddock before cutting is made. Other lawns are cut close to ground level. Cutting height varies from season to season. The same with fertiliser. It varies. What about lime? Soils in northeast Thailand need lime. 

 

Zoysia also becomes sod-bound with age, and will require some work to aerate the sods.

 

Anyway, all the best. Try to find a reel mower so when you cut your lawn you will get nice stripes in the lawn. 

When would you say is the best time to lay turf? Which part of which season? With thanks.

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On 5/5/2020 at 4:44 PM, Greenside said:

I've got a lot of lawn and been fighting an invasion of White Grubs for the past three seasons.

I got an infestation of white grubs last year, i was advised to drown them! I flooded the area they were in and have not had a problem since!

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Thanks but my areas are too numerous and spread around a large plot to consider that.

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15 hours ago, Ombra said:

When would you say is the best time to lay turf? Which part of which season? With thanks.

Lawns can be laid anytime in northeast Thailand. In the dry season, one has to water and water to keep the turfs growing well until they root down. We laid a large area of lawn around our new warehouse in November. We had no rain until May. But it took a lot of watering to keep the grass growing. It now looks great.

 

Laiding in the wet season is a bit easier, but if heavy rains come before the roots root down well, erosion on slopes can occur. 

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Thanks for the replies.  Yes I was very happy with the quality and the work done.  It looked great but the next day the temps got to 104 and much of it turned brown and the heat lasted a full week.  I watered 4 times a day and still it got worse.  Finally the Zoysia started rooting and turning more green.

 

The grass company had a football pitch project in Udon and were in town for that.  For sure that was the reason the crew showed up not just because of my small patch.  They came back 10 days later to fertilize and top treat with sand and it has greened up considerably.

 

But now the grassy weeds are coming up and I am not going to hand pull them so herbicides will be considered.  I just spot sprayed the areas with Trimec 2,4-d hoping to kill some off but MSMA and trifloxysulfuron are also recommended but I cannot find that here in Udon.

 

I am mowing  twice a week now with all the rain but hopefully I can get down to once a week.  I have tried to train the nephews in the art of lawn mowing but they just cannot grasp the concept of overlapping cuts and I end up with missed areas everywhere.  Tomorrow will be their second attempt so hopefully their results improve.

 

The grass seller suggested fertilizer that is 16-20-0 with a weekly application for 8 weeks then switch to a 15-15-0 for 8 weeks then back and forth.  This is resulting in much more hands on work than I expected and now I appreciate the work involved to keep golf greens so nice.

 

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1 hour ago, MarcIssan said:

Thanks for the replies.  Yes I was very happy with the quality and the work done.  It looked great but the next day the temps got to 104 and much of it turned brown and the heat lasted a full week.  I watered 4 times a day and still it got worse.  Finally the Zoysia started rooting and turning more green.

 

The grass company had a football pitch project in Udon and were in town for that.  For sure that was the reason the crew showed up not just because of my small patch.  They came back 10 days later to fertilize and top treat with sand and it has greened up considerably.

 

But now the grassy weeds are coming up and I am not going to hand pull them so herbicides will be considered.  I just spot sprayed the areas with Trimec 2,4-d hoping to kill some off but MSMA and trifloxysulfuron are also recommended but I cannot find that here in Udon.

 

I am mowing  twice a week now with all the rain but hopefully I can get down to once a week.  I have tried to train the nephews in the art of lawn mowing but they just cannot grasp the concept of overlapping cuts and I end up with missed areas everywhere.  Tomorrow will be their second attempt so hopefully their results improve.

 

The grass seller suggested fertilizer that is 16-20-0 with a weekly application for 8 weeks then switch to a 15-15-0 for 8 weeks then back and forth.  This is resulting in much more hands on work than I expected and now I appreciate the work involved to keep golf greens so nice.

 

I am not sure if Zoysia will tolerate those herbicides. Your suggested fertilizers of 16-20-0 and 15-15-0 contains no K. You need K in these poor soils. Mowing twice a week for a new lawn is over doing it. The tropical Zoysia lawns are nothing like the ryegrass, fine fescue or fine bentgrass lawns in cool temperate countries. 

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