U.S. coronavirus deaths exceed 75,000: Reuters tally

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

The federal government does not lord over states, they have autonomy. Rights and liberty do not get thrown out the window because of viruses.

You might like to make the President aware of that fact.

 

But in the meantime could you find time to answer my previous ost?

 

PH

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You're being obtuse. What I said above wasn't in any way calling for a ban on returning Americans.

 

No, Im quoting you directly, you being upset that Trumps travel ban from Europe did not include American citizens re-patriating from Europe. You were angry that Trump did not include banning Americans. Dont walk it back. You own it. Its yours. 

 

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

So in case you're still unclear, probably intentionally so, yes, I would have favored a mandatory two week quarantine on all Americans returning from virus impacted areas at that time.

 

Saving and protecting American lives is not tyranny, especially for two weeks of inconvenience. And as I noted above, that's exactly what many countries including Thailand are doing right now.

 

Why stop there? Why not go full-on China and lock people in the country down too? Why didn't we lockdown NY when it was known thats where it was concentrated in the beginning? Why didn't we have massive quarantine centers everywhere forcing citizens into lockup? Why do you want to force people to quarantine when they enter the US but not force them into quarantine when they are already walking around in the country? 

You see how illogical this all is? Theres a balance that has to be struck between respecting people and their rights VS fighting the virus. 

Becoming a tyrant (which is always the lefts solution, to every problem) is not the answer. 

[Mama Noodle]

7 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

But in the meantime could you find time to answer my previous ost?

 

The answer you seek is a couple pages back, if you read the thread instead of begging me to get you stuff you would have seen it. 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

That's not what I said. That's plainly not in the words I wrote.

 

But you're resorting to mischaracterizing my comment, even after I've clearly reiterated it plainly, because you don't have anything better to say. And frankly, Trump on the CV is simply indefensible.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But you're resorting to mischaracterizing my comment, even after I've clearly reiterated it plainly, because you don't have anything better to say.

 

And this? Care to comment? 

 

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Why stop there? Why not go full-on China and lock people in the country down too? Why didn't we lockdown NY when it was known thats where it was concentrated in the beginning? Why didn't we have massive quarantine centers everywhere forcing citizens into lockup? Why do you want to force people to quarantine when they enter the US but not force them into quarantine when they are already walking around in the country? 

 

[Sujo]

48 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Yeah the USA banning their own citizens from returning to their homeland would have been real possible ????

 

And forcing citizens into government quarantine would've been doubly possible and surely welcomed ????

 

You guys are so hypocritical and deflective its rather amusing. One minute Trump has no power or authority, next minute he should have done a tyrannical move like noted above (LOL) next second when NY cases are skyrocketing, NY threatens sue other states and refuses to isolate (Which should be totally acceptable according to your own standards)...

 

Its all rather amusing, especially since its the same old song and dance coming from the same old Trump haters. 

You are deliberately misrepresenting what he posted. He never said to ban citizens. Trump does have the absolute authority to put anyone coming into the country into quarantine.

 

He also has the right to ban any foreign nationals entering the country, or do you now say he had no right to do his muslim ban.

 

Trump also says he has absolute authority. Stephen miller says his authority shall not be questioned.

 

Interesting you do not agree with trump but you are not alone, the majority of americans also do not agree with him and humor him like one does a 5 year old that just learnt to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

 

 

 

[Gumballl]

46 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

nobody i Australia wears a mask it is not recommend it by the medical

profession only recommend it if you feel sick.  

A person can be carrier of the COVID-19 virus and not feel sick. I guess some in the Aussie medical profession did not bother to consider this possibility. Really sad.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The U.S. federal government's response to the CV outbreak has been widely and broadly panned internationally by all kinds of experts and not of any particular political leanings.

 

Erratic, unstable leadership from the very top. Two months totally lost early in the year that could have been used to ramp up and better prepare. Fake treatments and unproven medicines. Countless lies and misstatements. Political blaming. Refusal to take responsibility. Failure to test. Nationwide shortages of PPE. Denial of the outbreak. Telling states if they wanted federal aid they'd better be nice to him. Contradicting the advice being provided by his own public health experts. Issuing reopening guidelines, and then encouraging states that haven't met those guidelines to reopen anyway. Encouraging citizens to basically violate and fight state stay-at-home orders. And it's a long list beyond that.

 

    Who is the source for your graphic!

You don't mention  all the facts ,at the end  of january that the WHO recommended not to restrict travel or trade to all countries affiliated with it.

 And you should know,I think ,every POTUS  listens to the advise of his medical experts, especially when they say there is no major threat to the USA!

  Fauci: "Well, you know, obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kinds of things that the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security are doing. But this is not a major threat [emphasis added] for the people of the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about."

 

No major threat to the USA !   Less then a week later travel restriction for china, despite the criticism from the left !

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/09/the_coronavirus_trumps_medical_advice_was_contradictory_inconsistent_--_and_wrong_142898.html

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-02-2020-a-joint-statement-on-tourism-and-covid-19---unwto-and-who-call-for-responsibility-and-coordination

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by riclag

[Phulublub]

49 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

57 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

And forcing citizens into government quarantine would've been doubly possible and surely welcomed 

Isn't that exactly what they did with the passengers disembarked from the cruise ship  in Japan?

 

57 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

when NY cases are skyrocketing, NY threatens sue other states

They did? I don't recall seeing that...and cannot find any reference to this.  Can you expand please?

 

Mamanoodle

 

I think maybe you are confusing me with someone else.  The above is what I posted.  Cannot see any references to the information I seek, either in this thread or, regarding your statement about NY suing, anywhere on the web.

 

PH

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

 You don't mention  all the facts,at the end  of january that the WHO recommended not to restrict travel or trade to all countries affiliated with i

 

You're right about the WHO... They also long recommended against international air travel restrictions. And they also recommended against face mask wear by the general public.  Both sorely mistaken positions IMHO... Their performance has been as bad or worse than that of the U.S. CDC (largely absent, except for their failed CV test fiasco).

 

But, they're not in charge of the U.S. and not the ones primarily responsible for (soon to be) 100,000+ dead Americans.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You are deliberately misrepresenting what he posted.

 

And you are white knighting. 

 

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trump does have the absolute authority to put anyone coming into the country into quarantine.

 

He also has the right to ban any foreign nationals entering the country, or do you now say he had no right to do his muslim ban.

 

Trump also says he has absolute authority. Stephen miller says his authority shall not be questioned.

 

Interesting you do not agree with trump but you are not alone, the majority of americans also do not agree with him and humor him like one does a 5 year old that just learnt to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

I support the travel bans of foreign nationals, not American Citizens and I would bet you that most American Citizens feel the same in regards to banning their own people. 

 

You do comprehend the difference between Citizens and Non-Citizens, right? 

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But, they're not in charge of the U.S. and not the ones primarily responsible for (soon to be) 100,000+ dead Americans.

 

The high side of 80,000 Americans died in the 2017-2018 flu season and nobody cared. 

 

Yet you want to force people into government quarantine and throwaway everyones rights. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Here's how the U.S. has been doing:

 

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 the U.S. pandemic response remains a work in progress—fragmented, chaotic, and plagued by con­tradictory messaging from political lead­ers. “We don’t have a national plan,” says epidemiologist Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. “We are going from press conference to press conference and crisis to crisis … trying to understand our response.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/united-states-leads-coronavirus-cases-not-pandemic-response

 

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Persuading more than 320 million people in the United States to take the pandemic seriously, meanwhile, will require a radical change in messaging from political leaders at every level, from the White House to city halls. “Rule one of communication in a pandemic is [to] have a message and stick to it,” says political scientist Scott Greer of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, who has studied the U.S. response to the 2014 Ebola epidemic. So far, that’s been the exception, as Trump and state and local officials have delivered a cacophony of conflicting messages, from indifference to alarm.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/12/21218305/trump-ignored-coronavirus-warnings

 

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A new investigation reveals Trump ignored experts on Covid-19 for months

In the pandemic’s early days, Trump heeded friends and political whims over his own medical and security experts.

 

As the coronavirus pandemic spreads, new details continue to emerge about the way President Donald Trump mishandled the United States’ response.
...

An investigation by the New York Times has revealed that experts and administration officials tried to warn Trump of the serious nature of the coronavirus pandemic early on. 
 

The report exhaustively outlines numerous ways in which Trump avoided listening to government authorities as they proposed strategies for dealing with the pandemic. It also details an administration mired in political bickering, which hamstrung officials at every phase of their response.

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You're right about the WHO... They also long recommended against international air travel restrictions. And they also recommended against face mask wear by the general public.  Both sorely mistaken positions AFAIK... Their performance has been as bad or worse than that of the U.S. CDC.

 

But, they're not in charge of the U.S. and not the ones primarily responsible for (soon to be) 100,000+ dead Americans.

 

 

Yes the POTUS is in charge of the USA so when a POTUS has to deal with a particular situation he does what any other POTUS would do ,listen to fauci No major threat to the USA

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And so much of this could have been avoided had he acted quickly and decisively, and demonstrated the courage he always talks about, but never has possessed. The Native American saying " it is far easier to be brave, from a distance", almost seems like it was written for Trump. 

 

The world looks on with pity, despair and bewilderment, as the virus rages on in the US, and Trump gets his coveted #1 position. For all the wrong reasons. 

 

Don Donald. Moving America backwards at an alarming pace. Making sure the US loses it's remaining long earned prestige. 

But hard to act quickly and decisively when shackled by the constraints of political correctness.

[candide]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

The high side of 80,000 Americans died in the 2017-2018 flu season and nobody cared. 

 

Yet you want to force people into government quarantine and throwaway everyones rights. 

You are deflecting.

Fact is that, confronted with the same situation, some countries succeeded (SK, Germany), and other failed (US, UK, etc....). So national responses matter.

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Here's how the U.S. has been doing:

 

2 highly respected organizations you got there ????

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

Yes the POTUS is in charge of the USA so when a POTUS has to deal with a particular situation he does what any other POTUS would do ,listen to fauci No major threat to the USA

 

Fauci has been at odds with Trump on the severity of the pandemic and how to respond to it throughout virtually the entire process. You're, not surprisingly, peddling a false Trumpian narrative.

 

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Trump Misquotes Fauci on Coronavirus Threat

 

Posted on April 29, 2020

Defending his early response to the coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that in late February, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was saying, “This is no problem. This is going to blow over.”
 

In a Feb. 29 interview, Fauci said that “right now at this moment” the risk was “low” and there was “no need” for people “to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis.” But he added that “this could change,” that people needed to be wary of “community spread,” and that it could develop into a “major outbreak.”

 

 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-misquotes-fauci-on-coronavirus-threat/

Edited May 9, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

The high side of 80,000 Americans died in the 2017-2018 flu season and nobody cared. 

 

Yet you want to force people into government quarantine and throwaway everyones rights. 

To your point  Jan 30,

“This is a dangerous virus but, as health officials told us today, it still remains largely contained to mainland China,” DeGette said after the briefing!

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

 

Some narrative 

Edited May 9, 2020 by riclag

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

You are deflecting.

Fact is that, confronted with the same situation, some countries succeeded (SK, Germany), and other failed (US, UK, etc....). So national responses matter.

 

Its not a deflection, its context and perspective. 200,000 - 800,000 die globally because of the flu every year. Perspective. 

 

National responses do matter, there's no denying that. Hanging blame on one person (Trump) when at every <deleted> instance he was fought tooth and nail by the blameless Democrats is most illogical thing known to humanity. 

 

And saying one country failed and another succeeded is illogical as well because they operate differently. 

[kingdong]

With all the current talk about quarantine,if introduced how will it be enforced?concentration camps?

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Fauci has been at odds with Trump on the severity of the pandemic and how to respond to it throughout virtually the entire process. You're, not surprisingly, peddling a false Trumpian narrative.

To your point  Jan 30,

“This is a dangerous virus but, as health officials told us today, it still remains largely contained to mainland China,” DeGette said after the briefing!

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

 

Some narrative 

[Mama Noodle]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Fauci has been at odds with Trump on the severity of the pandemic and how to respond to it throughout virtually the entire process. You're, not surprisingly, peddling a false Trumpian narrative.

 

He may have been at odds, which is understandable because no president wants to crash the country, but he did take all of Fauci's recommendations as they were given - and Fauci publicly attests to that fact. 

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

He may have been at odds, which is understandable because no president wants to crash the country, but he did take all of Fauci's recommendations as they were given - and Fauci publicly attests to that fact. 

fauci and health experts  briefed the congress  jan 30

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

largely contained to china and in another source No threat to the USA

Edited May 9, 2020 by riclag

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

With all the current talk about quarantine,if introduced how will it be enforced?concentration camps?

 

Depends if you're a Democrat or a Republican. 

 

If you're a Democrat they will probably call it "Life Pause Centers" with their slogan being "Its not a lockup, its a Pause!" 

 

Republicans will fight it, Democrats will say Republicans are denying science and want to murder everyones grandmother, the BBC will cover it, everyone in the UK will thing Republicans are grandmother murderers who deny science.... Rinse and repeat until there's a thread on ThaiVisa "Trump wants to kill everyones Grandmother" 

 

Ad nauseam....

[Odysseus123]

27 minutes ago, Gumballl said:

A person can be carrier of the COVID-19 virus and not feel sick. I guess some in the Aussie medical profession did not bother to consider this possibility. Really sad.

The wearing of masks is not mandatory in Australia however quite a number of people certainly do so....

Hygiene, social distancing and travel restrictions were seen as the main line of defense as well as the 14 day quarantine-at first voluntary but later mandatory.

 

We are heading into winter now-the traditional cold and 'flu season so we will see how it goes..

 

[Crazy Alex]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

You are deflecting.

Fact is that, confronted with the same situation, some countries succeeded (SK, Germany), and other failed (US, UK, etc....). So national responses matter.

Not quite true. Certain states in the US failed- mostly blue. Coincidence. No, Trump's fault.

[swerve]

I applaud the posters who have called out the poor leadership of some countries during this pandemic.  There have been obvious losers.  UK, USA, Italy, France, Spain, and Belgium leaders have all done a weak job of protecting the public. Too slow, too nonchalant, too busy, too arrogant, too trusting, too foolish. History will remember these people.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

 

 

 

I guess Fauci blew it.

 

"Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

 

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200429/fact-check-did-fauci-say-coronavirus-was-lsquonothing-to-worry-aboutrsquo

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, swerve said:

I applaud the posters who have called out the poor leadership of some countries during this pandemic.  There have been obvious losers.  UK, USA, Italy, France, Spain, and Belgium leaders have all done a weak job of protecting the public. Too slow, too nonchalant, too busy, too arrogant, too trusting, too foolish. History will remember these people.

When it wasn't a pandemic the world was listening to China and the WHO ! At least thats what my countries leader of the infectious disease was  trying  to do 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by riclag