England tiptoes out of lockdown as economy dives

[RuamRudy]

11 hours ago, kingdong said:

Required soon?totally agree,any ideas on how they are going to enforce it?.

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

[Canuck1966]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The arrogance is quite unbelievable.

First you claim the ONS figure for Feb/Mar is a lie, and then in attempt to defend your ignorance by saying it is irrelevant. Obviously the ONS are in need of your expertise.

 

I wait with baited breath to see what you will say about the Mar/April figure, of course that would require some sort of understanding.

GDP figures are calculated on a quarterly basis Jan, Feb, March

They are never split month by month ever

 

The GDP for the quarter is a matter of FACT and it was -2%

This is disingenuous reporting and you have swallowed it like a simpleton

 

Why didn't they report the actual headline figure of -2% ?

Instead they report lies, lies and more lies

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

 

I can explain it you but I can't understand it for you...........obviously!

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Canuck1966

[7by7]

44 minutes ago, evadgib said:

This scaremongering lark has been going on for years; None of which has ever proved right.

Having used them to 'prove' a point, and failed, you are now saying that the figures produced by the government and reported by Politicalite in your link, are scaremongering.

 

In this topic and another you have been asked many questions by myself and others about your conspiracy theory claims. You have ignored those questions, just as you always have. 

 

You have produced a few links which you believed justified your claims, but they actually show the opposite of what you have claimed (hint, read the whole article not just the headline before using it to justify yourself). You are now reduced to posting a photograph of a hand written list as 'proof' of your claims.

 

You have provided much amusement to the board; but have now become a laughing stock to all but your ever diminishing clique.

 

 

 

 

[7by7]

14 hours ago, kingdong said:

On 5/13/2020 at 1:42 PM, baansgr said:

Still have 15,000 arriving everyday in the UK from all over the world without any restrictions whatsoever....14 day self isolating will be required SOON though..

Required soon?totally agree,any ideas on how they are going to enforce it?.

 

Not required soon; required at least 2 months ago!

 

Many say that leaving it this late, whilst at the same time easing some lockdown restrictions, is a waste of time; a view with which I have much sympathy.

 

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

 As the majority of those who have been entering the UK at this time are returning British citizens or at least residents, that wouldn't make much, if any, difference.

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

46 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

GDP figures are calculated on a quarterly basis Jan, Feb, March

They are never split month by month ever

 

The GDP for the quarter is a matter of FACT and it was -2%

This is disingenuous reporting and you have swallowed it like a simpleton

 

Why didn't they report the actual headline figure of -2% ?

Instead they report lies, lies and more lies

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

 

I can explain it you but I can't understand it for you...........obviously!

 

You should have a word with the Office for National Statistics, put them straight on a few things:

 

GDP monthly estimate, UK: January 2020

 

"Gross domestic product (GDP) showed no growth in January 2020, with growth in services offset by falls in production and construction." 

 

Might I suggest that you try to use fewer insults when you contact them though? I am sure that you wouldn't want to come across as an arrogant boor. 

 

[simple1]

On 5/14/2020 at 7:28 PM, Canuck1966 said:

<SNIP>

GDP is measured in quarters not months

The GDP for the FIRST quarter was - 2%

The monthly figures are irrelevant for this purpose

Is it velly velly hard for you to understand? 

The quarter you refer to is 01/20 - 03/20 - full on Covid shutdowns directed by HMG didn't commence in the UK until March. 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

We can,t even stop them flooding in over the English channel,what's the royal navy doing looking for the golden rivet?

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

We can,t even stop them flooding in over the English channel,what's the royal navy doing looking for the golden rivet?

Sorry, I was being facetious. 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Having used them to 'prove' a point, and failed, you are now saying that the figures produced by the government and reported by Politicalite in your link, are scaremongering.

 

In this topic and another you have been asked many questions by myself and others about your conspiracy theory claims. You have ignored those questions, just as you always have. 

 

You have produced a few links which you believed justified your claims, but they actually show the opposite of what you have claimed (hint, read the whole article not just the headline before using it to justify yourself). You are now reduced to posting a photograph of a hand written list as 'proof' of your claims.

 

You have provided much amusement to the board; but have now become a laughing stock to all but your ever diminishing clique.

The 80 seat majority hasn't gone away and is directly responsible for your continued diatripe. It's time you stopped sulking and acknowledge that it hasn't worked ????

Edited May 15, 2020 by evadgib

[elliss]

On 5/14/2020 at 9:13 AM, bert bloggs said:

And how low will the pound sink?

 

 Transfer  asap , i have .

   The writing is on the wall. 

   Expect UK , taxes to rise , and pension  age to be raised to 80 ...

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by elliss

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

GDP figures are calculated on a quarterly basis Jan, Feb, March

They are never split month by month ever

 

The GDP for the quarter is a matter of FACT and it was -2%

This is disingenuous reporting and you have swallowed it like a simpleton

 

Why didn't they report the actual headline figure of -2% ?

Instead they report lies, lies and more lies

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

 

I can explain it you but I can't understand it for you...........obviously!

 

Your arrogance obviously knows no bounds. And this statement is a gross breach of forum rules.

"Instead they report lies, lies and more lies"

 

4.GDP fell by 5.8% in March 2020

 

Table 1: Breakdown of GDP and its components’ growth rates by month

	January 2020	February 2020	March 2020	Quarter 1 2020
GDP	0.1%	-0.2%	-5.8%	-2.0%
Index of Services	0.1%	0.0%	-6.2%	-1.9%
Index of Production	-0.1%	-0.1%	-4.2%	-2.1%
Manufacturing	0.1%	0.3%	-4.6%	-1.7%
Construction	0.2%	-2.1%	-5.9%	-2.6%
Agriculture	-0.1%	-0.1%	-0.2%	-0.2%

Source: Office for National Statistics - GDP monthly estimate

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/march2020

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

"If doctors are attributing all deaths in care homes to Covid-19, it makes a nonsense of any statistics..."

While Mr Parkinson may be correct in his projection, he has no way of knowing if the single incident he was party to is prevalent across the UK. I presume, also, that the doctor he is referring to had a better understanding of the factors around his mother's death than either he or the care home manager would have. 

 

I can understand the shock of the care home manager. In Scotland it is becoming increasingly clear that the very fragile operating practices of private care homes has, in many cases, caused their operations to come crashing down in the most tragic of manners. The Scottish Gov has already initiated proceedings to take away the LTO from one company, HC-1 from Darlington, and the Procurator Fiscal Service has announced it will review all Covid-19 related deaths to determine if each warrants a Fatal Accident Inquiry, which could lead to criminal prosecution if negligence is found to be a factor. 

 

I read that private care homes have been raking in between £700 and £2000 A WEEK per resident, so why these operators were so woefully incapable of managing their operations in a crisis suggests, to me, that they have been gouging their businesses for a long time. 

Appreciated RR, but it's happening far to often to be an isolated mistake & even some medical professionals (inc Dr's) are saying so. It has even been suggested that a sliding scale of financial incentives might be a contributing factor from interested parties (guess what's at the top?) but this would be Red Meat to the Rhubarb brigade which is why I haven't bothered...

Edited May 16, 2020 by evadgib

[7by7]

21 hours ago, evadgib said:

The 80 seat majority hasn't gone away and is directly responsible for your continued diatripe. It's time you stopped sulking and acknowledge that it hasn't worked ????

What on earth does this have to do with the post you quoted; or any post of mine on the subject?

 

I assume your phrase '80 seat majority' refers to the majority the government has in the House of Commons.

 

Your referring to that in some attempt at support for the government seems very odd as in this topic and the other you are doing your best to convince us that the government are lying to us about the death toll and using those lies to somehow manipulate us.

 

Though you don't say what it is they want to manipulate us into doing and/or believing.

 

Maybe that Boris and his boss Cummings are actually competent? In which case, surely they'd be underplaying the effects of the virus, not exaggerating them!

[7by7]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Appreciated RR, but it's happening far to often to be an isolated mistake & even some medical professionals (inc Dr's) are saying so. It has even been suggested that a sliding scale of financial incentives might be a contributing factor from interested parties (guess what's at the top?) but this would be Red Meat to the Rhubarb brigade which is why I haven't bothered...

 

If it's happening far too often to be an isolated mistake, explain the actual ONS figures quoted above.

 

Figures which show that in the period, despite 7316 care home deaths, a massive increase of 5162 over the 5 year average, well under half of the increase and less than a third of all deaths were attributed to Covid 19.

 

But maybe you believe that the ONS are lackeys of the government and so are lying to us in order to manipulate us.

 

I'd ask you for links to the suggestions that 'a sliding scale of incentives might be a contributing factor.' 

 

But we both know that, as ever, you wont be able to produce them.

Edited May 16, 2020 by 7by7
Correcting mathematical error.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

If it's happening far too often to be an isolated mistake, explain the actual ONS figures quoted above.

 

Figures which show that in the period, despite 7316 care home deaths, a massive increase of 5162 over the 5 year average, well under half of the increase and less than a third of all deaths were attributed to Covid 19.

 

But maybe you believe that the ONS are lackeys of the government and so are lying to us in order to manipulate us.

 

I'd ask you for links to the suggestions that 'a sliding scale of incentives might be a contributing factor.' 

 

But we both know that, as ever, you wont be able to produce them.

As you still haven't grasped why the 'right-said-freds' ("I'm-still-waiting-for..." set to their familiar tune) aren't popping up via MSM further debate in your direction is a complete waste of time.

Try sticking me on ignore instead.

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Edited May 16, 2020 by evadgib

[7by7]

52 minutes ago, evadgib said:

As you still haven't grasped why the 'right-said-freds' ("I'm-still-waiting-for..." set to their familiar tune) aren't popping up via MSM further debate in your direction is a complete waste of time.

Try sticking me on ignore instead.

+

 

Instead of yet more feeble comments that the evidence to support your claims is "not popping up via MSM" and "further debate in your direction is a complete waste of time," why not try real, adult debate by actually producing some evidence to support your claims?

 

OK, you say it's not accessible via the MSM, for reasons you believe I'm too thick to grasp. Ever thought that were you to provide access to your evidence, links to your sources that myself and others may be able to grasp your points; even agree with them?

 

Try answering a question instead of your continual dodging. Try providing a link to a source. Only this time read them first to make sure they don't actually say the opposite of what you think they do!

 

 

[jimmyswale]

If you believe the whole world has shut down on some conspiratorial whim then you really are away with the fairies and for that to be true it would require many different government of different stripes to be acting together. Madness. 

[from the home of CC]

On 5/13/2020 at 7:57 PM, tribalfusion001 said:

You have to make your own risk assessment and it's 0.2% mortality rate. UK government cannot afford another lock down, everybody has a choice, work your job or don't have any money.

latest figures are showing 0.5% rate (Oxford) - world wide (and with many countries with substandard healthcare) that could translate to 26 million dead.. 

[metisdead]

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[3NUMBAS]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-wants-30m-doses-of-coronavirus-vaccine-in-four-months-xqrj8q29d

 

As many as 30 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine could be made for Britain by September under a deal between Oxford University and the drugmaker Astrazeneca.

Ministers announced the target as they pledged £65.5 million in additional funding for the Oxford vaccine project. A second potential British vaccine, being developed at Imperial College London, will receive £18.5 million.

The Oxford team’s global licensing agreement with Astrazeneca, which is based in Cambridge, would cover the commercialisation and manufacturing of the jab, which still needs to pass safety and efficacy tests.

[3NUMBAS]

belgium is number 1 in the charts for infected per million .uk is 7th

On 5/14/2020 at 7:05 AM, sawadee1947 said:

Following by piling up the dead bodies by mismanagement of BoJo ????

 

[3NUMBAS]

A Redfield and Wilton Strategies survey has revealed that given a choice between the Prime Minister and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to lead, 49 percent want Mr Johnson while only 27 percent would choose the leader of the opposition.

Asked whether individuals had emerged from the crisis better or worse, 41 percent said Mr Johnson had come out better.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1283422/uk-lockdown-end-boris-johnson-coronavirus

[Sujo]

On 5/15/2020 at 11:04 PM, elliss said:

 

 Transfer  asap , i have .

   The writing is on the wall. 

   Expect UK , taxes to rise , and pension  age to be raised to 80 ...

 

If its anything like.oz then soon you will need to provide your death certificate to qualify for the pension.

[RuamRudy]

34 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

A Redfield and Wilton Strategies survey has revealed that given a choice between the Prime Minister and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to lead, 49 percent want Mr Johnson while only 27 percent would choose the leader of the opposition.

Asked whether individuals had emerged from the crisis better or worse, 41 percent said Mr Johnson had come out better.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1283422/uk-lockdown-end-boris-johnson-coronavirus

Truly astonishing - I have tried to find the details of the poll but been unable to do so. I would very much like to know more, because even if I was the least biased person in the country, I would struggle to understand such a result.

[elliss]

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

A Redfield and Wilton Strategies survey has revealed that given a choice between the Prime Minister and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to lead, 49 percent want Mr Johnson while only 27 percent would choose the leader of the opposition.

Asked whether individuals had emerged from the crisis better or worse, 41 percent said Mr Johnson had come out better.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1283422/uk-lockdown-end-boris-johnson-coronavirus

 

 Try another survey , you have been ill informed .

   Are you by any chance a brexiteer , nuff said .

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

A Redfield and Wilton Strategies survey has revealed that given a choice between the Prime Minister and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to lead, 49 percent want Mr Johnson while only 27 percent would choose the leader of the opposition.

Asked whether individuals had emerged from the crisis better or worse, 41 percent said Mr Johnson had come out better.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1283422/uk-lockdown-end-boris-johnson-coronavirus

 

I'm not a big fan of opinion polls; the results depend too much on who and how many are surveyed. But based upon the results of earlier polls and this one, it seems that Johnson's approval is falling, whilst Starmer's is rising.

 

Another survey by Redfield and Wilton conducted at the same time has been ignored by the Express and other Tory media; for the obvious reason.

 

Latest UK Voting Intention May 15:-

"Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll finds the Conservative Party’s substantial lead reduced to 12%. A noticeable change since our previous voting intention poll is an increase in overall support for Labour, particularly among those who had voted for Labour in December 2019, indicating that Labour supporters are warming up to their new leader Keir Starmer, who has impressed in his criticism of the Prime Minister at recent PMQs. The full numbers of our voting intention poll from Friday (with changes from May 6 in parentheses) are as follows:

            Conservative 47% (-3)

            Labour 35% (+4)

            Liberal Democrat 9% (+2)

            Scottish National Party 4% (–)

            Plaid Cymru 0% (–)

            Green Party 3% (-2)

            Other 2% (-1)"

 

 

 

[BeltAndRoad]

On 5/17/2020 at 2:40 AM, jimmyswale said:

If you believe the whole world has shut down on some conspiratorial whim then you really are away with the fairies and for that to be true it would require many different government of different stripes to be acting together. Madness. 

Unless of course it's only average citizens that view the world in terms of Nations and peoples. And the few that hold power view the world in terms of Corporations and currencies.  Maybe within the highest levels of Governments of all Countries a common goal is shared- Control of people. 

It's interesting the emotional stages people go through when the gap between their core beliefs and reality becomes larger and larger.  Typically 5 stages when dealing with Grief- Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.    

[3NUMBAS]

the much touted oxford vaccine is only partially efective on monkeys so dont hold your breath on this one

[3NUMBAS]

On 5/18/2020 at 12:32 PM, RuamRudy said:

Truly astonishing - I have tried to find the details of the poll but been unable to do so. I would very much like to know more, because even if I was the least biased person in the country, I would struggle to understand such a result.

labours cloth cap voters who cant think for themselves have mostly died off so they cant win an election unless they import more migrants from poverty stricken east euro countries who want more benefits on the dole..labours wooden leader has all the charisma of joseph goebbells and at election time will fail

[7by7]

22 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

labours cloth cap voters who cant think for themselves have mostly died off so they cant win an election unless they import more migrants from poverty stricken east euro countries who want more benefits on the dole..labours wooden leader has all the charisma of joseph goebbells and at election time will fail

 

Most of this rubbish is your opinion and so as worthy or worthless as anyone else's.

 

But "unless they import more migrants from poverty stricken east euro countries who want more benefits on the dole" is also factually incorrect in two respects.

 

Firstly, research shows that EU migrants who entered after 2000, most of whom came from Eastern Europe, contribute more in taxes than they take out in benefits (one example).

 

Secondly; to vote in a UK general election, you must:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting.

 

The only EU nationals on that list are citizens of the Republic of Ireland, Malta and Cyprus; none of which are in Eastern Europe!