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11 hours ago, kingdong said:

Required soon?totally agree,any ideas on how they are going to enforce it?.

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

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2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The arrogance is quite unbelievable.

First you claim the ONS figure for Feb/Mar is a lie, and then in attempt to defend your ignorance by saying it is irrelevant. Obviously the ONS are in need of your expertise.

 

I wait with baited breath to see what you will say about the Mar/April figure, of course that would require some sort of understanding.

GDP figures are calculated on a quarterly basis Jan, Feb, March

They are never split month by month ever

 

The GDP for the quarter is a matter of FACT and it was -2%

This is disingenuous reporting and you have swallowed it like a simpleton

 

Why didn't they report the actual headline figure of -2% ?

Instead they report lies, lies and more lies

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

 

I can explain it you but I can't understand it for you...........obviously!

 

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44 minutes ago, evadgib said:

This scaremongering lark has been going on for years; None of which has ever proved right.

Having used them to 'prove' a point, and failed, you are now saying that the figures produced by the government and reported by Politicalite in your link, are scaremongering.

 

In this topic and another you have been asked many questions by myself and others about your conspiracy theory claims. You have ignored those questions, just as you always have. 

 

You have produced a few links which you believed justified your claims, but they actually show the opposite of what you have claimed (hint, read the whole article not just the headline before using it to justify yourself). You are now reduced to posting a photograph of a hand written list as 'proof' of your claims.

 

You have provided much amusement to the board; but have now become a laughing stock to all but your ever diminishing clique.

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, kingdong said:
On 5/13/2020 at 1:42 PM, baansgr said:

Still have 15,000 arriving everyday in the UK from all over the world without any restrictions whatsoever....14 day self isolating will be required SOON though..

Required soon?totally agree,any ideas on how they are going to enforce it?.

 

Not required soon; required at least 2 months ago!

 

Many say that leaving it this late, whilst at the same time easing some lockdown restrictions, is a waste of time; a view with which I have much sympathy.

 

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

 As the majority of those who have been entering the UK at this time are returning British citizens or at least residents, that wouldn't make much, if any, difference.

 

 

 

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On 5/14/2020 at 7:28 PM, Canuck1966 said:

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GDP is measured in quarters not months

The GDP for the FIRST quarter was - 2%

The monthly figures are irrelevant for this purpose

Is it velly velly hard for you to understand? 

The quarter you refer to is 01/20 - 03/20 - full on Covid shutdowns directed by HMG didn't commence in the UK until March. 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

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4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Maybe once we get back control of our borders? 

We can,t even stop them flooding in over the English channel,what's the royal navy doing looking for the golden rivet?

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5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

We can,t even stop them flooding in over the English channel,what's the royal navy doing looking for the golden rivet?

Sorry, I was being facetious. 

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2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Having used them to 'prove' a point, and failed, you are now saying that the figures produced by the government and reported by Politicalite in your link, are scaremongering.

 

In this topic and another you have been asked many questions by myself and others about your conspiracy theory claims. You have ignored those questions, just as you always have. 

 

You have produced a few links which you believed justified your claims, but they actually show the opposite of what you have claimed (hint, read the whole article not just the headline before using it to justify yourself). You are now reduced to posting a photograph of a hand written list as 'proof' of your claims.

 

You have provided much amusement to the board; but have now become a laughing stock to all but your ever diminishing clique.

The 80 seat majority hasn't gone away and is directly responsible for your continued diatripe. It's time you stopped sulking and acknowledge that it hasn't worked 🙄

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On 5/14/2020 at 9:13 AM, bert bloggs said:

And how low will the pound sink?

 

 Transfer  asap , i have .

   The writing is on the wall. 

   Expect UK , taxes to rise , and pension  age to be raised to 80 ...

 

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16 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

GDP figures are calculated on a quarterly basis Jan, Feb, March

They are never split month by month ever

 

The GDP for the quarter is a matter of FACT and it was -2%

This is disingenuous reporting and you have swallowed it like a simpleton

 

Why didn't they report the actual headline figure of -2% ?

Instead they report lies, lies and more lies

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2020

 

I can explain it you but I can't understand it for you...........obviously!

 

Your arrogance obviously knows no bounds. And this statement is a gross breach of forum rules.

"Instead they report lies, lies and more lies"

 

4.GDP fell by 5.8% in March 2020

 

Table 1: Breakdown of GDP and its components’ growth rates by month
  January 2020 February 2020 March 2020 Quarter 1 2020
GDP 0.1% -0.2% -5.8% -2.0%
Index of Services 0.1% 0.0% -6.2% -1.9%
Index of Production -0.1% -0.1% -4.2% -2.1%
Manufacturing 0.1% 0.3% -4.6% -1.7%
Construction 0.2% -2.1% -5.9% -2.6%
Agriculture -0.1% -0.1% -0.2% -0.2%

Source: Office for National Statistics - GDP monthly estimate

 
 
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/march2020
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1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

"If doctors are attributing all deaths in care homes to Covid-19, it makes a nonsense of any statistics..."

While Mr Parkinson may be correct in his projection, he has no way of knowing if the single incident he was party to is prevalent across the UK. I presume, also, that the doctor he is referring to had a better understanding of the factors around his mother's death than either he or the care home manager would have. 

 

I can understand the shock of the care home manager. In Scotland it is becoming increasingly clear that the very fragile operating practices of private care homes has, in many cases, caused their operations to come crashing down in the most tragic of manners. The Scottish Gov has already initiated proceedings to take away the LTO from one company, HC-1 from Darlington, and the Procurator Fiscal Service has announced it will review all Covid-19 related deaths to determine if each warrants a Fatal Accident Inquiry, which could lead to criminal prosecution if negligence is found to be a factor. 

 

I read that private care homes have been raking in between £700 and £2000 A WEEK per resident, so why these operators were so woefully incapable of managing their operations in a crisis suggests, to me, that they have been gouging their businesses for a long time. 

Appreciated RR, but it's happening far to often to be an isolated mistake & even some medical professionals (inc Dr's) are saying so. It has even been suggested that a sliding scale of financial incentives might be a contributing factor from interested parties (guess what's at the top?) but this would be Red Meat to the Rhubarb brigade which is why I haven't bothered...

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21 hours ago, evadgib said:

The 80 seat majority hasn't gone away and is directly responsible for your continued diatripe. It's time you stopped sulking and acknowledge that it hasn't worked 🙄

What on earth does this have to do with the post you quoted; or any post of mine on the subject?

 

I assume your phrase '80 seat majority' refers to the majority the government has in the House of Commons.

 

Your referring to that in some attempt at support for the government seems very odd as in this topic and the other you are doing your best to convince us that the government are lying to us about the death toll and using those lies to somehow manipulate us.

 

Though you don't say what it is they want to manipulate us into doing and/or believing.

 

Maybe that Boris and his boss Cummings are actually competent? In which case, surely they'd be underplaying the effects of the virus, not exaggerating them!

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2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Appreciated RR, but it's happening far to often to be an isolated mistake & even some medical professionals (inc Dr's) are saying so. It has even been suggested that a sliding scale of financial incentives might be a contributing factor from interested parties (guess what's at the top?) but this would be Red Meat to the Rhubarb brigade which is why I haven't bothered...

 

If it's happening far too often to be an isolated mistake, explain the actual ONS figures quoted above.

 

Figures which show that in the period, despite 7316 care home deaths, a massive increase of 5162 over the 5 year average, well under half of the increase and less than a third of all deaths were attributed to Covid 19.

 

But maybe you believe that the ONS are lackeys of the government and so are lying to us in order to manipulate us.

 

I'd ask you for links to the suggestions that 'a sliding scale of incentives might be a contributing factor.' 

 

But we both know that, as ever, you wont be able to produce them.

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2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

If it's happening far too often to be an isolated mistake, explain the actual ONS figures quoted above.

 

Figures which show that in the period, despite 7316 care home deaths, a massive increase of 5162 over the 5 year average, well under half of the increase and less than a third of all deaths were attributed to Covid 19.

 

But maybe you believe that the ONS are lackeys of the government and so are lying to us in order to manipulate us.

 

I'd ask you for links to the suggestions that 'a sliding scale of incentives might be a contributing factor.' 

 

But we both know that, as ever, you wont be able to produce them.

As you still haven't grasped why the 'right-said-freds' ("I'm-still-waiting-for..." set to their familiar tune) aren't popping up via MSM further debate in your direction is a complete waste of time.

Try sticking me on ignore instead.

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