Sweden - is the rest of the world dumb, blind or worse ?

[Bender Rodriguez]

all this panic over what?

 

look what Sweden did and still does

 

the rest of the world is in lockdown and economic meltdown

 

"leaders" of the world, scared by magical death rate projects that came out of a faulty simulation that took 3 weeks to give his simulated nonse to the world to examine (a bit like code of windows - bill) but only after they left out many parameters

 

quarantine the healthy instead of the sick, old & already dying

 

I hear reports that old people care homes, were FORCED to take in their patients that went to the hospital and they could not even ask for a TEST first, before admitting them back in to the facility !!!

 

That is why there are so many death people, mostly old and with deficient immune systems

 

Keep the world hostage until a vaccine is made ?

 

Is there a vaccine against cancer (50 years or research),  aids/hiv (30+ years),  herpes, malaria, dengue, sars, mers ?

 

Is there a universal flu vaccine that actually works ?  as it is only a gamble of the scientists from months before...

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

is the rest of the world dumb, blind or worse ?

 

Yes.

[Heppinger]

A bit rich, coming from Sweden, but yes the rest of the world is dumb and blind as are Swede's.

[simple1]

Time for people to catch up with what's actually currently happening in Sweden. Sweden's per capita death rate from Covid-19 is among the highest in the world, Sweden is also facing a bad economic outcome due to Covid.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-coronavirus-per-capita-death-rate-among-highest-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

 

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by simple1

[CGW]

Everybody is free to think what they like about the ongoing agenda, but even the most naive can see that the "Covid" situation has been hijacked and a whole new agenda is now in place.

Welcome to social engineering in 2020, we have no protection from "government" or specifically those who are dictating how "governments" respond as our only form of "protection" - the "Media" is also owned by the same people who are directing the new agenda and bring in the "New World Order" as the governor of Chicago recently stated, some are more than happy to serve the NWO and bring in their policies.

[yuyiinthesky]

And if you ask questions or criticize, then you're stamped off and silenced as conspiracy theorist. And Youtube and Twitter censor all opinions and facts which are not WHO/China approved. 

It started as "Lockdown to flatten the curve, so that the hospitals are not overwhelmed", and we all bought it. 

But meanwhile it changed on the quiet to "Lockdown forever, the new normal, at least till a vaccine is here". Sorry, that I do not buy anymore. Rejected.

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 Sweden is also facing a bad economic outcome due to Covid.

Well spotted, of course an export depending country such as Sweden will suffer if the world is on lockdown. Not Sweden's fault, but the Lockdown's fault.
 

 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Sweden's per capita death rate from Covid-19 is among the highest in the world,

A strong argument for Sweden's model, as it is showing that all the lockdowns did not help to get the current death rate under Swedens.

And it is ignoring that the overall death rate depends on the number of infections, which will eventually be the same everywhere (remember, flattening the curve is just distributing the infections over a longer time frame).

Nevertheless, if you prefer to be locked down nothing stops you from staying at home.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Time for people to catch up with what's actually currently happening in Sweden. Sweden's per capita death rate from Covid-19 is among the highest in the world,

Yep ......... follows link .......... Death Rate 0.034%

Be afraid Sweden, be very afraid .....bet you wish you'd trashed your economy now!

(Spain, Italy, UK, France all higher and trashed economies)

Edited May 16, 2020 by BritManToo

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Yep ......... 0.034% <SNIP>

if you don't care up to you. However, an excerpt from the link I provided which demonstrates the concerns regards Covid.

 

More than 12% of people officially given a COVID-19 diagnosis in the country have died.

[BritManToo]

Just now, simple1 said:

if you don't care up to you. However, an excerpt from the link I provided which demonstrates the concerns regards Covid.

More than 12% of people officially given a COVID-19 diagnosis in the country have died.

You do know Sweden only tests people already in the intensive care ward?

Edited May 16, 2020 by BritManToo

[CanadaSam]

Has anybody realized, that we are treating this covid thing as worse than the walking dead, but, I know nobody who got the virus, nor do I know anybody who got very sick and/or died from it, and I know a lot of people!

 

I believe the transmission rate of the virus is off the charts, basically unstoppable.

 

I know that most or all countries can not test everybody, and certainly not the ones who are not showing any symptoms.

 

Therefore, now, after a few long months, I have come to the conclusion that a LOT of people have been exposed to it, have not fell ill seriously, and certainly have not died.

 

But countries have.  Died.  Financially, and in many other ways, from these extremely drastic measures.

 

[DeadBite]

Remember how many things doctors got wrong with HIV. Viral diseases are not yet well understood by medicine. We know about bacteria, but viruses are a theoretic concept. They cannot be isolated and studied properly to prove their existence 

[Rimmer]

A conspiricy troll post has been removed

[simple1]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You do know Sweden only tests people already in the intensive care ward?

Not what the official Swedish Covid guidance site states.

 

Who should be tested for COVID-19?

The healthcare services in Sweden prioritise the following groups:

• Hospitalised patients
• Health or elderly care personnel with suspected COVID-19

 

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/testing-vaccination-and-treatment/

 

As an indication in Scotland 30% die from Covid once admitted to intensive care.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-

 

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by simple1

[Bender Rodriguez]

google:  corona sweden somali

[yuyiinthesky]

20 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

Has anybody realized, that we are treating this covid thing as worse than the walking dead, but, I know nobody who got the virus, nor do I know anybody who got very sick and/or died from it, and I know a lot of people!

 

I believe the transmission rate of the virus is off the charts, basically unstoppable.

 

I know that most or all countries can not test everybody, and certainly not the ones who are not showing any symptoms.

 

Therefore, now, after a few long months, I have come to the conclusion that a LOT of people have been exposed to it, have not fell ill seriously, and certainly have not died.

 

But countries have.  Died.  Financially, and in many other ways, from these extremely drastic measures.

 

Exactly that is what happened. 

[yuyiinthesky]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Not what the official Swedish Covid guidance site states.

 

Who should be tested for COVID-19?

The healthcare services in Sweden prioritise the following groups:

• Hospitalised patients
• Health or elderly care personnel with suspected COVID-19

 

As an indication in Scotland 30% die from Covid once admitted to intensive care.

 

Sorry, but the numbers you post say nothing about the real death rate. They totally ignore the huge amount of asymptotic infections.

[Bob A Kneale]

4 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

look what Sweden did and still does

What did Sweden do?

[BobBKK]

Vietnam?  no deaths - why? because they very strictly quarantined the sick and let healthy people live their lives albeit with masks etc. No lockdown except if a case was found (only 300 nationally).

[Lacessit]

To answer the OP, IMO flu vaccines are very successful. I've been having them for 2 or 3 decades. As are vaccines for smallpox, polio, TB etc.

Sweden chose to go along a path which has given them one of the higher death rates per million population. Australia and New Zealand chose full lockdown, and have the lowest death rates. The countries torn between business as normal, and lockdown, seem to be faring the worst.

What seems to be missing in this debate is the number of people who are incapacitated. The USA has 1 million people that are in that category, as measured by active cases.

It's a misrepresentation to say it's only the sick and elderly that are dying. Young people are dying too, or have to be taught to breathe and walk again.

To me, claiming Sweden is the model to follow is alarmingly simplistic. It's recovery rate is nothing to write home about either.

I guess it depends on what weight countries give their economies compared to the health of its citizens.

 

[tribalfusion001]

50 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Not what the official Swedish Covid guidance site states.

 

Who should be tested for COVID-19?

The healthcare services in Sweden prioritise the following groups:

• Hospitalised patients
• Health or elderly care personnel with suspected COVID-19

 

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/testing-vaccination-and-treatment/

 

As an indication in Scotland 30% die from Covid once admitted to intensive care.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-

 

 

 

 

You need to look at the demographics of those in ICU, it's not healthy people otherwise the whole of Scotland would be in ICU. This is not a mass killer, simple as that.

[tribalfusion001]

20 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Vietnam?  no deaths - why? because they very strictly quarantined the sick and let healthy people live their lives albeit with masks etc. No lockdown except if a case was found (only 300 nationally).

Hardly any testing either, none of the countries in SE Asia can be relied upon for accurate data or any country with lower GDP.

[CNXexpat]

Sweden is the 6th worse country in the world with deaths per 1 million. And the number is growing fast. Not sure if they are doing right.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

Sweden is the 6th worse country in the world with deaths per 1 million. And the number is growing fast. Not sure if they are doing right.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Acceptable losses, same as every other country with high levels of covid-19 infections. Do you lock everything down forever?

[simple1]

22 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

You need to look at the demographics of those in ICU, it's not healthy people otherwise the whole of Scotland would be in ICU. This is not a mass killer, simple as that.

Well aware thanks, been in the public domain for a while. never claimed Covid is a 'mass killer' so....

[CanadaSam]

For those of you who are trying to justify this world shutdown by stating things like "12% of those officially given a diagnosis......" or that "30% die when admitted to intensive care" can you PLEASE for a moment, THINK that this is NOT the percentage of the ENTIRE COUNTRY which is in total lockdown!!!

 

These people are already dead!  They are in intensive care, or given a diagnosis, because they are SICK, very, very sick.

 

BUT there happens to be 99 point something of people (less than 1 in one hundred get seriously sick) that are perfectly well, either having already had the virus, or not!

 

But, for that LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of people who are sick or dying, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the people are suffering, not to mention the economy!

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Acceptable losses, same as every other country with high levels of covid-19 infections. Do you lock everything down forever?

No, you relax restrictions as the situation gets under control. Happening in Australia as I post.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Sorry, but the numbers you post say nothing about the real death rate. They totally ignore the huge amount of asymptotic infections.

It's very straight forward, the stats provided talk to death rates of those who have admitted to intensive care after being infected by Covid.

[Heppinger]

13 minutes ago, CGW said:

Waiting for enlightenment? ???? 

Probably going to be a long wait?

Another one full of themselves? 

I was actually defending you.  To be fair, and in my honest opinion, the post that the stupid bear guy and the gender fluid Greek character called gibberish was in actual fact rubbish.  Though not gibberish, as the words you used were identifiable and arranged in a somewhat cohesive manner.

I admire you for having the balls to post your opinion.  While 90% of posts produced by your two critics are centered around criticism.

I encourage you to keep posting and learning. Good Luck.

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Heppinger

[Rimmer]

Some troll and off topic posts removed