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34 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

USA : predicted: 2.000.000 death VS 102.197

UK : predicted : 500.000 death vs 37.460

Predicted in a model that stated explicitly that those numbers would never happen. 

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Hospitalisations per day falling nicely in Sweden.

 

Also the deaths per day curve going down rather well.

 

Good job, Sweden.

 

 

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deaths sweden 6.png

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26 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Again, ignored is that the population density in Sweden‘s cities, such as Stockholm, is very comparable to other European cities, such as London.

Yes and Stockholm has a very comparable mortality rate to other European cities, such as London.

 

thus by following this line of argument you are agreeing and saying that you think population density is really important and it is. 

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42 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

Sweden-Belgium :  half the deaths per million and NO LOCKDOWN and economy is alive and well, they use THEIR BRAIN, still have a job, socialize, no QR bul....p

Did you not understand that you cannot compare Sweden and Belgium? In Belgium they count deaths that no other country counts. Like, if two persons in a care home die and had the virus then every death in that care home is counted as a corona death.

 

Think again about the Swedish economy being alive and well. The European Commision expects a 6,1 per cent decline in Sweden this year. Six countries are expected to do better, including Denmark with a 5,9 per cent decline. The average for Europe is a 7,4 per cent decline with Greece, Spain and Italy close to a 10 per cent decline.

 

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USA : predicted: 2.000.000 death VS 102.197

UK : predicted : 500.000 death vs 37.460

 

You do know that the basis for that prediction was if they did nothing? And that they did offer other numbers if they tried to stop the virus from spreading?

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57 minutes ago, Susco said:

Are there 2 Sweden in the world?

 

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Logosone shared a rather misleading graph about deaths that shows the number who died on each day. But it often takes 7 days (or more) for a death to enter the system so the most recent days always show a really low number. Thus Logosone’s graph shows 10 deaths on the 25th May but that number will already have increased and will increase tomorrow and the next day and the day after that as deaths are reported and confirmed as due to COVID.

 

it is not the first time he has used this type of graph.
 

the number of hospitalisations are going down and is very strong evidence that Sweden is over the worst of it now. This is very good news.

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4 minutes ago, chessman said:

Logosone shared a rather misleading graph about deaths that shows the number who died on each day. But it often takes 7 days (or more) for a death to enter the system so the most recent days always show a really low number. Thus Logosone’s graph shows 10 deaths on the 25th May but that number will already have increased and will increase tomorrow and the next day and the day after that as deaths are reported and confirmed as due to COVID.

 

it is not the first time he has used this type of graph.
 

the number of hospitalisations are going down and is very strong evidence that Sweden is over the worst of it now. This is very good news.

Something probably going over my head here, but I thought deaths by day are deaths by day.

 

From what I can see on this page, looks to me that Sweden has peaked 1 month ago, but in the past few days is rapidly increasing again.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

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18 minutes ago, Susco said:

Something probably going over my head here, but I thought deaths by day are deaths by day.

 

From what I can see on this page, looks to me that Sweden has peaked 1 month ago, but in the past few days is rapidly increasing again.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

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Yeah but when you look at the graph you can see a number of spikes but it looks like they are on the downward slope of the curve.

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2 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Again, ignored is that the population density in Sweden‘s cities, such as Stockholm, is very comparable to other European cities, such as London.

Just change the parameters to suit, it's OK.

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2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Hospitalisations per day falling nicely in Sweden.

 

Also the deaths per day curve going down rather well.

 

Good job, Sweden.

 

 

Hospitalisations Sweden.png

deaths sweden 6.png

source data?? HP??

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27 minutes ago, Susco said:

Something probably going over my head here, but I thought deaths by day are deaths by day.

The number in your graph and on Worldometers shows the announced number of deaths. Today that was 46. But those 46 didn’t all die yesterday. Some would have died yesterday, some the day before, some the day before that and so on.

 

Logosone’s graph shows the number of people confirmed to have died on each specific day. This will underestimate the most recent days because often deaths will take time to be confirmed. Thus his graph shows 10 deaths on the 25th of May but more deaths will be announced for that day in the next week. The final number will show that many more people died on the 25th of May.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Most of Sweden's fatalities are in care homes - so unrelated to a lockdown or not .... and their per capita rate is no worse than many other countries. 

 

I would hardly call four or five countries "many other countries". Belgium is leading; however, you cannot compare the numbers from Belgium with numbers from other countries as they count suspected cases as well. Then there is Spain, the UK, Italy and France with more deaths per capita than Sweden. Sweden will overtake France in a day or two.

 

Sweden is leading in daily deaths from the virus, and not even the worst-hit countries had more deaths per day at the point of the epidemic where Sweden is now (+70 days since 1 death per 100.000).

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20 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Most of Sweden's fatalities are in care homes - so unrelated to a lockdown or not ....

This doesn’t make sense. Care homes have staff and if there is no lockdown then those staff are more likely to get Covid and spread it in the care home. It is true the system in Sweden made this worse with agency workers employed in multiple Care homes and often working for hourly wages so not wanting to call in sick.

 

it is actually one of the best arguments for a lockdown, Sweden have had less care home outbreaks since they introduced stricter regulations. If they would have locked down for a month to learn more about the disease, who it affects and the way it spreads, they would have probably introduced similar regulations but with a lot less deaths than they have now.

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