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Sweden - is the rest of the world dumb, blind or worse ?

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2 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm not sure why you keep quoting the figure of deaths as a percentage of the population for Sweden as if it somehow makes them look good. It doesn't - every country's death rate looks like a small number if you choose to express it in that format.  If you look at their neighbours (with similar demographics) Norway's is ten times less, at 0.004% and Denmark's around 4 times less, at 0.01%. The fact is that their death rate as a percentage of total population is the 6th highest in the world. This means they have suffered more deaths per capita than all but 5 other countries in the entire world.

 

If you want see how they're doing right now, as compared to other nations, their current 7-day rolling average of deaths per million is the highest in the world and has been for over a week. They are followed by Brazil, a country that has no official lockdown.

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Logo thinks we are all daft....🥴

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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just been reported on the BBC, Laura Bicker, that all South Korean residents have been told to stay indoors this weekend.

Corry catch up on?

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15 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Agree ..... but some people have been infected with COWARDICE-19 and want everyone else to cower at home posting their favourite albums on Facebook.

Well i dont want u near me.

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7 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm not sure why you keep quoting the figure of deaths as a percentage of the population for Sweden as if it somehow makes them look good. It doesn't - every country's death rate looks like a small number if you choose to express it in that format.  If you look at their neighbours (with similar demographics) Norway's is ten times less, at 0.004% and Denmark's around 4 times less, at 0.01%. The fact is that their death rate as a percentage of total population is the 6th highest in the world. This means they have suffered more deaths per capita than all but 5 other countries in the entire world.

 

If you want see how they're doing right now, as compared to other nations, their current 7-day rolling average of deaths per million is the highest in the world and has been for over a week. They are followed by Brazil, a country that has no official lockdown.

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I don't think anyone is saying Sweden is doing everything right.

 

They don't use masks, their social distancing is weak and I've not seen a strong public education campaign like in Vietnam.  But the point is that with no lockdown and limited measures, their rates are not signficanrly different.

 

And there are so many other important variables so any small differences in the figures you quote may not be significant.

 

Standard of health care, demographics, general health of the population, implementation of measures in care homes are all key factors.

 

It's probable that with Sweden's more relaxed approach to immigration, they have a less healthy population and a greater burden on health services than their neighbours. 

 

But look closer to home - Thailand had packed public transport and malls with the first phase of the relaxation - and one week later, no spike.

 

Even if the limited testing and reporting is a factor, the hospitals are certainly not overflowing.

 

The simple truth is that old, sick, fat people die in higher numbers every time there's an epidemic ..... seasonal flu or something new, but we only report the figures on every news channel, every minute when it's something new.

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4 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

I am not sure what the problem is. You an I have different opinions. So, what you need to do is follow your own beliefs and sit in your cave for however long you see fit. Further, you don't need to be telling anyone else what to do... whatever you would like to tell others to do, just do that yourself. That is how it works. When you are deathly afraid, you do not get to superimpose your fear onto others. You have to deal with it yourself. If you think what I am doing has some impact on you, you need to sit in your cave even more hardcore... it is your problem to deal with. This is not selfishness, or anything like that, it is just the way one person with one opinion will behave, and the other one will behave the way he sees fit. Neither one is better or worse. 

how about you just follow the scientific evidence. If thats not enough just follow the law.

 

Stay away from people that dont want to die because of you.

 

Under no circumstances should you follow any beliefs.

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On 5/16/2020 at 7:24 PM, vermin on arrival said:

Then we are pretty much doomed

Struth if  80+% get almost  no symptoms how are we  "doomed"

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3 minutes ago, bodga said:

Struth if  80+% get almost  no symptoms how are we  "doomed"

Crikey we are all <deleted>*ed

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37 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

They don't use masks, their social distancing is weak and I've not seen a strong public education campaign like in Vietnam.  But the point is that with no lockdown and limited measures, their rates are not signficanrly different.

Social distancing is the one thing that works very well to stop the spread of the virus. Lockdowns are simply a way to enforce social distancing; and perhaps also a better way to teach people about the importance of social distancing. Maybe that is why we have not seen the virus spread too much when some countries began to open up.

 

I simply do not understand what you man by "not signficanrly different". How much difference do you need before you will call it significant? They have death numbers more than four times higher than Denmark and even more compared to Norway and Finland.

 

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But look closer to home - Thailand had packed public transport and malls with the first phase of the relaxation - and one week later, no spike.

First, there may be other factors in play in Thailand (like temperature and humidity); second, you will not be able to see an effect until after two or three weeks.

 

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13 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Social distancing is the one thing that works very well to stop the spread of the virus. Lockdowns are simply a way to enforce social distancing; and perhaps also a better way to teach people about the importance of social distancing. Maybe that is why we have not seen the virus spread too much when some countries began to open up.

 

I simply do not understand what you man by "not signficanrly different". How much difference do you need before you will call it significant? They have death numbers more than four times higher than Denmark and even more compared to Norway and Finland.

 

First, there may be other factors in play in Thailand (like temperature and humidity); second, you will not be able to see an effect until after two or three weeks.

 

Incubation period is typically 3 to 5 days .... so more than enough time already.

 

And with the massive economic and negative health related impacts of the lockdowns, I believe we need to see clear evidence of the benefits.

 

Looking at US, UK, Italy and comparing with Australia, Sweden, Thailand there looks to be no evidence that lockdowns add any real value.

 

The main factor is population health - demographics, diet, healthcare.  Parts of the US have widespread obesity and related health issues, the same parts that have high death rates.

 

UK, Italy, India, Philippines also have major health issues - many related to diet.  And UK has a healthcare system that keeps sick people hanging on, so a longer life expectancy.  Many developing countries have an average life expectancy of 65 to 69 years, so not many 70 year olds about to boost the figures.

 

When analysing the figures there are many variables, but one thing they do not support is lockdowns, so why do we have them?   Simple ..... media induced fear.

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1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

The simple truth is that old, sick, fat people die in higher numbers every time there's an epidemic ..... seasonal flu or something new, but we only report the figures on every news channel, every minute when it's something new.

And why might that be do you think?

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