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Sweden - is the rest of the world dumb, blind or worse ?

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2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Thank you!

I re-post part of your earlier post, as it is a Voice of Reason in a sea of Fear and Confusion.

I am getting so tired of all the on-going discussions arguing that lock-downs should be adhered to but not telling when it would be 'safe' to ease them.  In Thailand's case, there is simply no reason to continue them and so the sooner the better to stop them, than the arbitrary 1 July date that has now been announced.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. One of the few lockdown policies which were touted as making a difference were school closures, which have not been implemented for some time in Denmark and Norway. School closures were never implemented in Sweden. If school closures were such an effective lockdown measure, why then did neither Denmark, nor Norway, nor Sweden have any infection hotspots at schools (apart from some where adults brought the virus in), nor did they have a massive increase because of school infections?

 

We should be very grateful to Sweden, which kept their schools open all this time, to learn that schools are not the hotspot risk hell holes of Covid19 which many feared them to be.

 

Just saw an interview with an employee at a Kindergarten in Sweden. She literaly said "We've never seen so many healthy chidren, no problems at all".

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people really want to inject themselves with a vaccine with unknown side effects for a 0.2 percent mortality rate in the already sick ?

 

fyi:  Morderna execs , one of the vaccine makers, sold their shares making them 30$ million...

 

speculation is that the vaccine will be worthless so cashing out before the others is the smart move... 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/22/investing/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-stock-sales/index.html

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13 hours ago, Logosone said:

It's wonderful we have countries like Sweden, Japan, etc who never introduced full mandatory lockdowns, and yet still have miniscule death rates, so we can see that lockdowns are total nonsense.

but but, in a separate thread this morning you state: 🤭

 

"Lol, of course with miniscule testing Japan, Taiwan et al have the virus under control. No testing for Covid19 equals no deaths of Covid19."

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

but but, in a separate thread this morning you state: 🤭

 

"Lol, of course with miniscule testing Japan, Taiwan et al have the virus under control. No testing for Covid19 equals no deaths of Covid19."

 

 

Well, that's true. Japan has obviously not tested for the virus on a meaningful scale. 

 

If they had tested more, I have no doubt that in a country of 126,000,000 people, the official figure 816 deaths and 16,673 cases would go up. It's a bit of a joke what Japan is selling to the world.

 

Nevertheless, even with a proper testing effort we would not see Japan having anything more than a miniscule number of deaths. Just like Sweden. The reason is that as we have seen from the data of the country that has tested more than other, Iceland, about 0.8% of the population have the virus.

 

That would mean Japan should have just under 1 million cases, even allowing for more sensible hygiene, green tea and blurred porn.

 

But even 1 million deaths would not mean a death wave. In Iceland, the country that has the most reliable Covid19 data, the death rate is 0.002. So applying that to Japan, deaths in the region of 2520 would be a sensible expectation.

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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok so just confirming that you've obviously no problem contradicting yourself, and as a consequence a credibility issue. One day you laud Japan for low death rates and no lockdowns, the next you use Japan as an example that you cannot trust their death statistics due to low testing.

 

29th May: "It's wonderful we have countries like Sweden, Japan, etc who never introduced full mandatory lockdowns, and yet still have miniscule death rates, so we can see that lockdowns are total nonsense."

 

30th May: "Lol, of course with miniscule testing Japan, Taiwan et al have the virus under control. No testing for Covid19 equals no deaths of Covid19."

 

Sensible hygene and green tea I agree with however but thats nothing to do with the points made, just a friendly acknowledgement that there are always ways to help resist this virus, many models and many approaches, no one way has yet been proven, its not over.

 

 

It's not a contradiction, as I've specified even if Japan had tested more the death figure would be unlikely to surpass 2520. Which is a risibly small number for a country of 126 million people. 

 

What is clear though is that a lack of testing and a lack of a proper mandatory lockdown has not resulted in 500000 deaths in Japan. 

 

Coronapocalypse once again postponed. 

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here's some facts from the WHO themselves

 

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2017/flu/en/

 

for people who don't want to bother clicking and or reading, "Up to 650 000 people die of respiratory diseases linked to seasonal flu each year"

 

seasonal flu doesn't mean whole year, obviously.

they said it started in December so we are technically sitting at 7th month of this (58% of a year) and last I checked it was a close to 55-60% those normal figures

 

/yawn

 

 

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18 hours ago, farang51 said:

By the way, Denmark just announced opening it's borders to some of their neighbouring countries - but not to Sweden because Sweden do not have the virus under control.

Here in Norway the border will open to Denmark, Iceland and Germany from 15th June.
Our biggest headache is Sweden who do not have the pandemic under control.  

So if you want to visit Denmark the safest option is by sea, you are also allowed to drive through Sweden to the Danish border , but it's not recommended to make any stops along the way. 
 

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1 hour ago, Logosone said:

It's not a contradiction, as I've specified even if Japan had tested more the death figure would be unlikely to surpass 2520. Which is a risibly small number for a country of 126 million people. 

 

What is clear though is that a lack of testing and a lack of a proper mandatory lockdown has not resulted in 500000 deaths in Japan. 

 

Coronapocalypse once again postponed. 

Ooooh yes it is, when you made the posts you did not specify that, that is after the fact, only when I pointed out your polar contradictions do you start to come back with your excuse. Both statements are clearly opposing each other and made on different days. Please don't dig further into the hole it will not turn out well for you.

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1 hour ago, kekalot said:

here's some facts from the WHO themselves

 

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2017/flu/en/

 

for people who don't want to bother clicking and or reading, "Up to 650 000 people die of respiratory diseases linked to seasonal flu each year"

 

seasonal flu doesn't mean whole year, obviously.

they said it started in December so we are technically sitting at 7th month of this (58% of a year) and last I checked it was a close to 55-60% those normal figures

 

/yawn

 

 

In the UK, 15000 flu associated deaths per year would be a fair estimate, whereas covid19 has already been linked with 40,000 deaths in around 3 months.  

 

In my view, Covid19 deaths should only be counted in people under 70, who do not have significant underlying health conditions.  This would give us a more honest picture of how deadly the virus is, since it could really be argued that most deaths are really a matter of old age, or obesity, or diabetes, etc.

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4 hours ago, Logosone said:

I couldn't agree more. One of the few lockdown policies which were touted as making a difference were school closures, which have not been implemented for some time in Denmark and Norway. School closures were never implemented in Sweden. If school closures were such an effective lockdown measure, why then did neither Denmark, nor Norway, nor Sweden have any infection hotspots at schools (apart from some where adults brought the virus in), nor did they have a massive increase because of school infections?

 

We should be very grateful to Sweden, which kept their schools open all this time, to learn that schools are not the hotspot risk hell holes of Covid19 which many feared them to be.

 

Just saw an interview with an employee at a Kindergarten in Sweden. She literaly said "We've never seen so many healthy chidren, no problems at all".

Sweden only kept their lower schools open, higher schools from 16 + tutorial centers and Universities were all asked to close, that said the bulk of schools did indeed remain open, it was a perfect opportunity missed to do a full study on the effects of covid on school communities, yet the outbreaks they did have in schools the officials failed to track infections among students. Many parents in Sweden are afraid for their childrens safety and are complaining to no avail.

 

New Zealand, Australia are just 2 example countries with successful outcomes based on their circumstances, they both had serious outbreaks in schools with students infected and locked down those schools as a result, to re open when cleared, sensible approach for them that worked.

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ooooh yes it is, when you made the posts you did not specify that, that is after the fact, only when I pointed out your polar contradictions do you start to come back with your excuse. Both statements are clearly opposing each other and made on different days. Please don't dig further into the hole it will not turn out well for you.

It's not a contradiction.

 

It is perfectly possible for a country to not test enough yet still have very low numbers of Covid19 deaths.

 

How is this hard to understand?

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