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4 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Happening now all over the place in the US. I suppose the end of the world is near, right? 

I think you're on the wrong thread 

 

 

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Coronavirus: Norway wonders if it should have been more like Sweden

 

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Coronavirus: Norway wonders if it should have been more like Sweden

Cost of lockdown sees prime minister raise questions about strategy

 

On Wednesday night, Norway's prime minister Erna Solberg went on Norwegian television to make a startling admission: she had panicked. Some, even most, of the tough measures imposed in Norway's lockdown now looked like steps too far. "Was it necessary to close schools?" she mused. "Perhaps not."

 

It was a preemptive step only a leader with Solberg's folksy, down-to-earth style could get away with. "I probably took many of the decisions out of fear," she admitted, reminding viewers of the terrifying images then flooding their screens from Italy.

 

She is not the first in Norway to conclude that closing schools and kindergartens, making everyone work from home, or limiting gatherings to a maximum of five people might have been excessive....

 

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/30/coronavirus-norway-wonders-should-have-like-sweden/

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On 5/31/2020 at 9:01 PM, utalkin2me said:

Happening now all over the place in the US. I suppose the end of the world is near, right? 

I was just getting used to the C19 malarky. 

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On 5/29/2020 at 9:47 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Can you point me in the direction of these people that have projected their misery.

The millions that are having their lives ruined by lockdowns.

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On 6/1/2020 at 8:14 AM, Crazy Alex said:

Nah... those losers will crawl back under their rocks soon enough.

It's time to reinstate National Service, and make it compulsory for all 18 to 20 year olds.

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On 5/29/2020 at 10:07 PM, simple1 said:

As i recall you live in a small town in NZ so likely minimal risk. However, did you ignore the advisories from government which successfully mitigated the spread of Covid in NZ, what did the locals say who disagreed with your actions?

Where I live there never was a risk, but I would think the same wherever I lived.

The one thing that did stop the spread was closing the border and quarantine for arrivals.

 

I don't know anyone that thinks lockdown for everyone is a good idea.

They do agree that isolating those actually at risk of dying and instituting social distancing etc is a good idea.

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38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where I live there never was a risk, but I would think the same wherever I lived.

The one thing that did stop the spread was closing the border and quarantine for arrivals <SNIP>

Lol - contradictory statements

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The USA had a work force of 160,000,000 before the virus. There are now 42,000,000 on unemployment. So there are still 118,000,000 still working.  Why not let the other 42,000,000 work?

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Herd Immunity is still a long way off but while tracking the statistics for this, the good news for us all is that the more evidence we have of a higher rate of population infection then the more evidence we can gain on the actual true death rates. The CDC has  now published its revised estimates along with other bodies and all seem to agree that a figure of around 1% or lower seems to be the current estimate, much higher than the flu but nowhere near as bad as the WHO's suggestion of around 3%. 

 

The diagram below gives the figures for a few cities around the world. But for taking estimates of country population figures then studies show that France has 4.4% of its population with an infection rate. Spain also has just 5% of its population infected showing immunity.

 

With Sweden showing a 7.3% population infection rate in Stockholm, the figure will be less of course when the whole country is taken into account and could get down to the 4 or 5% similar to Spain and France.

 

There are will no doubts be arguments for or against these studies one such of course would be one poster who argue that Iceland's figures of 0.8% infection rate should be used as a model to prove that this is the figure for the whole world. Well if that were to be true than I can safely say without the need for any study that herd immunity will not happen in our lifetime.

 

I have not linked to the above studies purely because if you are interested enough then you can easily find them on Google. I would also just point out that you will always find a study that suits your bias but 99% of COVID studies are currently non peer reviewed because there are so many, so the term follow the science cannot be applied until they are. Only once they have been tested and appropriate critical thinking carried out by other experts can they then be accepted.

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FACE will stop most people in power to admit they were wrong, ignorant, dumb, misinformed

 

specially overhere ...  you can always find someone else to blame for your short comings

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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 The CDC has  now published its revised estimates along with other bodies and all seem to agree that a figure of around 1% or lower seems to be the current estimate

 

There are will no doubts be arguments for or against these studies one such of course would be one poster who argue that Iceland's figures of 0.8% infection rate should be used as a model to prove that this is the figure for the whole world. Well if that were to be true than I can safely say without the need for any study that herd immunity will not happen in our lifetime.

So the CDC has published its revised estimates and also PHE, Wuhan, Sweden and many others, and all seem to agree that a figure of "around 1% or lower" seems to be the current estimate?

 

You mean a figure like 0.8%, like the one from the Iceland study? One is shocked and raises the eyebrows. Thanks for evidencing how well the Icelandic study researchers did their job.

 

A couple of things:

 

1. The Iceland study tested about 100,000 people per million using the most reliable PCR tests

2. These serological studies appear to make very limited spot tests in various locations, using tests that have sometimes been highly criticised for being inaccurate, and then estimate the figures. This is of course completely different to the much more accurate and numerically voluminous testing that was done by Iceland. 

3. This may well be wave 1 of two or three, so the figures could still increase. But if they don't and we don't get herd immunity, obviously that will mean we won't need it, not if only 0.8% of people are infected.

 

It's actually good news either way. If it's really low numbers no need for herd immunity, if it will be much higher numbers herd immunity will happen.

 

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5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

So the CDC has published its revised estimates and also PHE, Wuhan, Sweden and many others, and all seem to agree that a figure of "around 1% or lower" seems to be the current estimate?

 

You mean a figure like 0.8%, like the one from the Iceland study? One is shocked and raises the eyebrows. Thanks for evidencing how well the Icelandic study researchers did their job.

 

Revised estimates referring to the death rate Logosone not infection rate, just a little different.

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25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Revised estimates referring to the death rate Logosone not infection rate, just a little different.

But that NYT article you quoted from is all about infection rate:

 

"The coronavirus still has a long way to go. That’s the message from a crop of new studies across the world that are trying to quantify how many people have been infected."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/28/upshot/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html

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On 5/16/2020 at 6:10 PM, BobBKK said:

Vietnam?  no deaths - why? because they very strictly quarantined the sick and let healthy people live their lives albeit with masks etc. No lockdown except if a case was found (only 300 nationally).

You are very naive to believe the integrity of medical stats that any Asian Communist or Dictator led nation puts out to the world. China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand all fit that bill.

You could reliably guess that 10 times stated figures would be closer to the truth.

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