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57 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

The designer of the Swedish anti corona model has just gone on Swedish radio to admit his ideas were wrong, and that too many Swedish people have died.

Since we now know the answer to the question of the OP, I suggest we close this thread.

 

Source: Belgian public TV:  https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/06/03/zweedse-marc-van-ranst-maakt-een-bocht-vandaag-zou-onze-aanpak/

 

Tegnell has not yet found an answer to what measures Sweden should have taken. "All other countries have introduced many things at the same time, so you have the problem that you don't know which measure had the best effect. Maybe we will find out now that the rules are being unloaded one by one."

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4 hours ago, mommysboy said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8381847/Now-know-coronavirus-not-random-killer-one-size-fits-lockdown-come-end.html

 

 

This infographic, which appears sound, provides a clue as to how the UK, and possibly many other countries including Sweden, might proceed to completely open its economy quickly, and achieve herd immunity, whilst providing a comprehensive shield to the most vulnerable throughout the course of the pandemic.

 

It would undoubtedly require all nursing homes to go in to a strict lockdown, and probably most households where there are elderly or vulnerable residents. 

 

 

I fear that mandatory lockdowns, now that the precedent has been set, are here to stay.

 

In the sense that we may have been lucky that this SARS Cov2 was not highly lethal, but of course with 5000 coronaviruses in bats the odds are that another MERS like virus will come that is much more lethal.

 

If there is another pandemic, a more lethal virus, we will of course see the return of lockdowns worldwide.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

The point was that the Q1 results cannot be used because the Swedish strategy wasn't in effect at the time. None of the countries had the measures in full effect. Whatever the economic results were/are, they are due to factors unrelated to Covid19 control measures. The USA and UK  Q1 numbers will be robust as well.


The UK economy shrank at the fastest monthly pace on record in March as the coronavirus lockdown triggered a crash in activity and demand.  UK gross domestic product fell 5.8 per cent in March compared with the previous month, the largest drop since the monthly series began in 1997, according to first estimates by the Office for National Statistics. In the first quarter, UK GDP fell 2 per cent compared with the previous quarter, its largest drop since the financial crisis.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/64ec173c-d397-43b7-a5f9-8b511a0f5204

 

You never get anything right, do you?

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12 minutes ago, Logosone said:


The UK economy shrank at the fastest monthly pace on record in March as the coronavirus lockdown triggered a crash in activity and demand.  UK gross domestic product fell 5.8 per cent in March compared with the previous month, the largest drop since the monthly series began in 1997, according to first estimates by the Office for National Statistics. In the first quarter, UK GDP fell 2 per cent compared with the previous quarter, its largest drop since the financial crisis.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/64ec173c-d397-43b7-a5f9-8b511a0f5204

 

You never get anything right, do you?

Now you're going from quarters to months. Parameter shift alert! Parameter shift alert!

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7 hours ago, nauseus said:

Now you're going from quarters to months. Parameter shift alert! Parameter shift alert!

Not at all. It says right there:

 

"In the first quarter, UK GDP fell 2 per cent compared with the previous quarter, its largest drop since the financial crisis."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/64ec173c-d397-43b7-a5f9-8b511a0f5204

 

Plus of course gerikid was claiming you can't count the first quarter (ie March) at all. Yet the FT makes clear that already in March the UK GDP fell by 5.8 per cent, with much worse to come. All due to lockdown.

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6 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

...in the three months to February 2020. 

 

It's getting terrible, gerikid, now you can't count from one to three? You can't make it up.

 

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1 hour ago, Logosone said:

It's getting terrible, gerikid, now you can't count from one to three? You can't make it up.

 

Yes, I can count. And no, none of it is made up, unlike your claims.  The MoF releases its comparative data on a rolling 3 month basis.   The exact reference is as follows;

1.UK GDP grew by 0.1% in the three months to February 2020

Figure 1: GDP grew by 0.1% in the three months to February 2020, following no growth in the three months to January 2020

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/february2020

 

If you have a complaint  with how data is compiled take it up with James Scruton who is responsible for the statistical bulletin. Go and tell him that he cannot count and that the educated professionals at the MoF are wrong.

 

 

Meanwhile as per the  subject of this thread, Sweden admits that it has erred.

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3 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Yes, I can count.

Then why did you say

 

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in the three months to February 2020.

We were discussing Quarter 1.

 

From your own link: Q1 refers to Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar)

 

From Jan to Feb is not 3 months, gerikid.

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2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Not at all. It says right there:

 

"In the first quarter, UK GDP fell 2 per cent compared with the previous quarter, its largest drop since the financial crisis."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/64ec173c-d397-43b7-a5f9-8b511a0f5204

 

Plus of course gerikid was claiming you can't count the first quarter (ie March) at all. Yet the FT makes clear that already in March the UK GDP fell by 5.8 per cent, with much worse to come. All due to lockdown.

How can it be due to lockdown if there was no lockdown?

The UK initiated the lockdown on March 23, and it was implemented by March 31.

Why do you insist that there was a lockdown, when there was no lockdown?

 

Is this all some sort of farce intended to irritate people? Who in their right mind would keep insisting the UK was in lockdown, when everyone knows the announced start of the  shutdown was March 23.

 

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