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On 7/27/2020 at 10:05 AM, innosiem said:

completely false and mis-leading propaganda article
the numbers paint a completely different picture

 

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Mortality rate risk based on Age

(Data from CDC & WHO) see below, these are very low risks, probably in line with normal life..obviously the I'll and impaired are at risk.

 

Additional to this herd immunity is around 25% , so majority of the population are not affected, herd immunity lower than previously thought because it is NOT a novel coronavirus, as was previously stated.

There are some disgraceful and liable acts before the law in all this mess,

Media fear mongering and misrepresentation.

Govt illegal & unjustified actions in removing citizens rights and enforcing lockdowns , and destruction of the small business economies ( globalist wish) you lockdown prisoners, not your citizens, this subtle terminology will not go unacknowledged by the zealous authorities.

Citizens stand up for your rights in all countries

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On 7/8/2020 at 11:33 AM, tlock said:

 

Interesting, I believe you are in NZ correct?  Are bars and clubs, etc. open?  Are large gatherings permitted (concerts, etc.)?  Are there any remnants of social distancing, masks, etc?  I'm trying to determine if anywhere in the world is 100% open at this point.

While we are in level 1, which is hard to work out if meaning anything at all, far as I know there are no obvious restrictions. Certainly no one is behaving like there are. Hardly anyone wears masks where I am, but that was normal even during full lockdown. Don't see any social distancing.

The problem is that there are no overseas tourists so certain sectors are going broke, and when the work subsidy stops the :hit-the-fan:, IMO. At the moment, everything seems like before lockdown, but that may be just where I am. Other places may be different

 

The main ( ?only ) policy at the moment is apparently closed borders, but a lot of people are still coming in, though supposed to stay in managed isolation for 14 days.

 

Time will tell if it works, but early days, early days.

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On 7/8/2020 at 5:57 AM, geriatrickid said:

It is not about deaths, but the cost of the  illness itself and the damage it does.

The biggest impact on the decreased case load  is most likely weather related.

Denmark has been open since mid May. Switzerland, Norway started reopening in May.

Canada started reopening in June.

Not only did these countries have better outcomes than Sweden, their economies are starting to show signs of improvement.

Australia has a  location specific lockdown because many locals there refused to behave responsibly and would not respect some  simple requests. This contrasts to the Swedish people who as a whole did not abandon common sense and behave like jerks. not comparable.

 

you got that backwards, sweden did better then the rest financially and in fact gdp went up 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

to be sure being an exporting country swedens economy too

will drop as the rest of the world collapses under their self imposed famine

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BBC seem positive

Many deaths among old folks in the beginning of the pandemic because of negligence but now the deathrate dramatically down and the economy seem to benefit from the relative low restrictions on the population.



BBC: Coronavirus: Sweden's economy hit less hard by pandemic
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354
 
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On 8/4/2020 at 9:52 AM, scammed said:

you got that backwards, sweden did better then the rest financially and in fact gdp went up 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

to be sure being an exporting country swedens economy too

will drop as the rest of the world collapses under their self imposed famine

 
 
 

The report you linked is two months old. More recent research, in comparison to other Nordic countries states...

 

various forecasts predict the Swedish economy will still shrink by about 5% this year. That's less than other countries hit hard by Covid-19 such as Italy, Spain and the UK, but still similar to the rest of Scandinavia. Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

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Aside from the historical death rate Sweden is currently doing ok with the virus seemingly under control however there are it is still showing over 300 new positive cases most days and yesterday there were an additional 13 deaths.

 

"Tegnell: 'If we see problems again, we'll look at face masks and other measures"

 

There are a growing number of parents voicing their concerns of having to force their children into school despite them having underlying health reasons to keep them away, threats from Social Services are being issued to them.

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9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Aside from the historical death rate Sweden is currently doing ok with the virus seemingly under control however there are it is still showing over 300 new positive cases most days and yesterday there were an additional 13 deaths.

 

"Tegnell: 'If we see problems again, we'll look at face masks and other measures"

 

There are a growing number of parents voicing their concerns of having to force their children into school despite them having underlying health reasons to keep them away, threats from Social Services are being issued to them.

So Sweden has reduced its new deaths to zero without using face masks.

 

That's interesting isn't it?

 

Clearly more evidence face masks are not needed.

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2 hours ago, Logosone said:

So Sweden has reduced its new deaths to zero without using face masks.

 

That's interesting isn't it?

 

Clearly more evidence face masks are not needed.

No wrong, as I never said Sweden had reduced its new deaths to zero, maybe you should read my post again, I said a new 13 covid deaths. However to add to that there was an additional 6 on yesterdays following report. The covid positive count also went up 426 new cases detected yesterday, the highest figure since 16th July.

 

Regarding these new spikes,Anders Tegnell pointed out that the increase among young adults is still cause for concern. "It's a bad sign, because this is how it started once upon a time and there is a clear risk that it starts to spread in that group but then spreads to other groups that could get significantly more ill," he told today's press conference, urging young adults to also keep following health and safety recommendations.

 

"Tegnell: 'If we see problems again, we'll look at face masks and other measures"

 

Hey, why don't you take up the new WHO mask challenge, send them a photo wearing one, would make a great thread on TVF!

 

"This week, we’re also launching a mask challenge with partners from around the world and we’re encouraging people to send in photos of themselves wearing a mask.

As well as being one of the key tools to stop the virus, the mask has come to represent solidarity." 

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-august-2020

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Partly true. But. Sweden should really compare to the rest of Europe and not to it´s scandinavian neighbours. In the end of february Sweden had "Winter holiday" with a large number of people, especially from Stockholm, went to Italy and Austria for skiing. A large number came back infected without knowing it and before the virus was seen as a threat and spread the infection in the Stockholm area. It caught on in the immigrant dense suburbs where they were unable to take precautions and in just in a couple of weeks the virus had a massive spread out of reach for individual tracing. It was enough for Sweden to get far behind it´s neighbours right from the start.

Ad the fact that the staff in elderly homes largely consist of immigrants prone to be infected, the virus spread uncontrollably among the vulnerable. These mistakes or unpreparedness just in the end of February - beginning of March explains the uncontrolled spread that took some weeks to stop.
After a bad start Sweden managed to curb the spread and the emergency wards were never in danger of being overwhelmed. So, Sweden had an earlier, large and unprepared outbreak before Europe was really aware of the danger of the virus, and before its scandinavian neighbours.

 

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1 hour ago, Stygge said:

Sweden should really compare to the rest of Europe and not to it´s scandinavian neighbours.

 

Yeah, because that certainly puts Sweden in a bad light. Better compare them to less comparable countries.

 

1 hour ago, Stygge said:

In the end of february Sweden had "Winter holiday" with a large number of people, especially from Stockholm, went to Italy and Austria for skiing.

Same same the other Scandinavian countries. The first case in Sweden (aside from a Chinese tourist) was February 27th. The first case in Denmark was February 27th. The first case in Norway was February 26th. The first case in Finland (aside from a Chinese tourist ) was February 26th. So, no, Sweden did not have an earlier, large and unprepared outbreak before its Scandinavian neighbours.

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On 8/6/2020 at 11:34 PM, farang51 said:

Yeah, because that certainly puts Sweden in a bad light. Better compare them to less comparable countries.

 

Same same the other Scandinavian countries. The first case in Sweden (aside from a Chinese tourist) was February 27th. The first case in Denmark was February 27th. The first case in Norway was February 26th. The first case in Finland (aside from a Chinese tourist ) was February 26th. So, no, Sweden did not have an earlier, large and unprepared outbreak before its Scandinavian neighbours.

Yes, the other scandinavian countries also have some winter holiday I´m sure but not neccesarily the same time. And the specific corona hotspots in Italy and Austria were particular "swedish ski resorts".

 

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