Democrats launch probe of Trump's firing of State Department watchdog

[Sujo 8,968]

3 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

i dislike the man as much as anyone, but if we're gonna "respect the institutions" that also means observing little details like following the law as written, not as how we would like to have it applied in this special case 'cause we don't like the other team's guy. 

 

congress, i believe, can change the law.  i must assume they don't want to.  investigations are more fun and politically profitable.

No he cant just fire as he sees fit, thats why congress wants to investigate.

 

He cant fire someone for nefarious reasons, like to stop an investigation into himself. 

[Crazy Alex 4,205]

Another investigation over something every president has a right to do? Haven't they learned from all the previous failed attempts?

[Crazy Alex 4,205]

 

24 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

What a total farce US politics has become (or maybe it always was and that I and others just notice it more now?).

You're just noticing it more now because the intense, irrational hatred of Donald Trump some people have has made them..... well, irrational.

[Sujo 8,968]

2 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

Some levels of criminality simply aren't expected of presidents, Until Obama came along, now we are going to witness the unmasking of the most criminal president to ever occupy the oval office.

 

You just need to be a little bit patient, as the secrets inside Grenell’s satchel, are the key to the biggest political scandal in US history, and it is about to unfold. And John Durham and his investigative team are finding things that some people will find hard to believe, but of course, unlike the attacks against President Trump, these will be real crimes against the state, backed up by real evidence.

 

And they involve the Who's Who, of the Obama administration.

Durham has commented only once since his appointment over a year ago. He stated he did not think the russia investigation started correctly, or words to that effect.

 

He has never made any other comment.

 

So do tell, where did you find the info to state that durham is finding things that some will find hard to believe. considering he hasnt even question four of the most important witnesses yet. 

[Sujo 8,968]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

You're just noticing it more now because the intense, irrational hatred of Donald Trump some people have has made them..... well, irrational.

You notice it more now because trump continues to act illegally and congress is forced to do its job.

[ChouDoufu 2,551]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No he cant just fire as he sees fit, thats why congress wants to investigate.

 

He cant fire someone for nefarious reasons, like to stop an investigation into himself. 

i'm sure there will be loads of talking heads on the news explaining the actual intent of the law, from both sides.  i read elsewhere there was a requirement to show cause in the house version, not included in the senate version, and removed in the final bill.  30 day notice, and "lost confidence" meet the requirements.

 

i suppose that 30 days is for consultations and investigations?  nothing in the bill about congress overriding the presidential firing.  otherwise the law would have been written require congressional consent to remove.

 

(b)  An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. If an Inspector General is removed from office or is transferred to another position or location within an establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress, not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer. Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit a personnel action otherwise authorized by law, other than transfer or removal.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5a/compiledact-95-452/section-3

 

 

reform act of 2007 doesn't change the requirement.

 

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/110th-congress/senate-report/262/1

[rabas 4,116]

29 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Durham has commented only once since his appointment over a year ago. He stated he did not think the russia investigation started correctly, or words to that effect.

 

He has never made any other comment.

 

So do tell, where did you find the info to state that durham is finding things that some will find hard to believe. considering he hasnt even question four of the most important witnesses yet. 

Durham is a prosecutor and investigator, he is not a political media hack. He is also noted for extraordinary reserve.  However he produced shock waves in December with comments about Mr. Horowitz's findings that the F.B.I. acted appropriately in opening the inquiry in 2016.

 

Mr. Durham rebutted by saying: “Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the F.B.I. case was opened.”

It was considered extraordinary that he even made a public statement.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/politics/john-durham-fbi-russia.html

 

[heybruce 15,228]

9 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Forgive me for saying but that's complete nonsense on many levels. You say 'clearly not' yet millions disagree.

BTW leave Russia out of it - great country, great people and Putin has lifted it out of very dark days back when Yeltsin was in charge. Have you been there? (yes, I have many. many times) and I hate to see them used by Americans as the Bogey Man, reds under the bed nonsense.

Are you claiming that Trump embraces constitutional checks and balances and is ok with Congressional oversight?

 

Do you think Russia's dictatorship with no real checks on Putin's power is a good thing and appropriate for the US?

[heybruce 15,228]

4 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

Some levels of criminality simply aren't expected of presidents, Until Obama came along, now we are going to witness the unmasking of the most criminal president to ever occupy the oval office.

 

You just need to be a little bit patient, as the secrets inside Grenell’s satchel, are the key to the biggest political scandal in US history, and it is about to unfold. And John Durham and his investigative team are finding things that some people will find hard to believe, but of course, unlike the attacks against President Trump, these will be real crimes against the state, backed up by real evidence.

 

And they involve the Who's Who, of the Obama administration.

Right.  You know Obama was a criminal President because Trump told you so.  Of course Trump has not specified what crime or crimes, but that's ok. Trump never lies, right?

[Tippaporn 6,293]

In my opinion this discussion isn't even worth having.  Why?  It's obvious from all of the declas info coming out what some people have known all along . . . that the entire Russian collusion hoax was a set-up, a farcically concocted scam to either 1) prevent Trump from getting elected, 2) (the insurance policy) if elected then to get him removed from office on false charges, and 3) if that failed then to hamstring his Presidency long enough to let the clock run out and install another corrupt Democrat who would bury all the crimes and protect the guilty.

 

This probe is just another continuation of their endless efforts and is again doomed to fail as all of their other efforts have failed.  The Dems are pulling out all the stops to prevent Trump from serving another 4 year term, including the use of a pandemic for political ends.  They have no other choice as another 4 year term will ensure they will all go to jail for a very long time.  It's not hard to figure out folks.

 

The discussions worth having are those which dig deeper into the proven, documented information exposing the malfeasance and criminality of the Obama administration . . . right up to Biden and Obama himself.  True justice is coming, and it ain't going to be the faux justice the Dems wish to criminally impose on the innocent such as Flynn.

 

Sit back and relax.  Get your popcorn ready.

[Tippaporn 6,293]

Here's what's coming. You can bank on every word Trump speaks.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers 26,471]

20 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Neither you nor any other commenter here can name a single rule violation any of the fired IGs committed, because none did.

They serve at the pleasure of the president. he needs no excuse to fire them.

The Dems are opening yet another of countless investigations to see if they can find something, anything that will hurt the president in November. Yet again, IMO, they will fail.

[thaibeachlovers 26,471]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

All I see is a meaningless comment conveying zero substance of anything.  Clever disparaging commentary won't cut it.

When meaningless comment is all one has............................................

[thaibeachlovers 26,471]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.

Exactly, and that is why con men and scammers are successful. Human nature is to believe and the vile elements of society take advantage of that impulse.

[Tippaporn 6,293]

And saying the same yet another way . . . 

 

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain