webfact Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Food delivery hoaxes: What is wrong with these people? Are they seeking revenge? Picture: Daily News Thai media reported on a major food delivery hoax in which dozens of Food Panda riders were sent to two addresses but no one accepted the food. Fears are growing that such hoaxes are being used as a means of getting revenge. If not then it is sheer unpleasantness. A Facebook user questioned the mental stability of people who would do such a thing. Daily News reported that two names were used for deliveries in Baramratchachonnanee Sois 63 and 65 in Taking Chan, Bangkok on Saturday. But after the orders were rejected pictures showed dozens of orders liked up on the road. Daily News said nearly thirty riders were affected. Sanook said it was forty and gave two names of people who allegedly had ordered the food. Their story appeared to relate to the same incident. They mention 80 food orders. Picture: Sanook Sanook said the delivery company would take responsibility for the losses. Thaivisa notes that food delivery motorcycles have been very noticeable in the streets of Bangkok during the long lockdown and stories about hoaxes are becoming more prevalent. It may be a means of getting revenge, we note. Source: Daily News | Sanook -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2020-05-18 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomazbodner Posted May 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2020 It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. 10 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 where all these deliveries going to the same address ? If so sounds like a party was in progress so they were breaking lockdown rules I was also out and about today for a bike ride and it became evident that not all beaches are closed when you travel out of pattaya - a beach I visited today had a sign "open 8am - 4pm of course it was what I would class as a Thai beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. Not just a civil case, in actuality possibly theft as the riders have paid for the food out of there own pockets in some cases, and or the restaurant has lost money as well as Food Panda, with its image being damaged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 So how does it create/bring revenge? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. Theoretically you are right. But it is a bigger effort for instance to get the correct IP number and therefore the police might not care much what I can understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbeth Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 kids prank call the emergency numbers all the time pizza place has been doing delivery via phone long before there's any 'app' yet they don't force people to pay upfront via credit card or whatever, if it's too much trouble for the restaurant /app company or riders, they'll find a solution in either making it pre-pay only, or if the drivers are forced to pay out of pocket, they'll move on to ride for better apps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 You cant go anywhere today in secret, several years ago and armed robbery on a rural petrol station and a request for Cctv owners on a length road 8 miles in length netted 106 offers of assistance with the police even checking the local bus cctv that was on the road at the given time. Worked out the robbers only travel 3 miles into a farm building all viewed on numerous camera recordings, so a bit like now you see it now you don't so back pedal a bit, and it was the bus recording showed it turned into a lane but a house cctv didn't show it coming out the other end, nabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Almer said: You cant go anywhere today in secret, several years ago and armed robbery on a rural petrol station and a request for Cctv owners on a length road 8 miles in length netted 106 offers of assistance with the police even checking the local bus cctv that was on the road at the given time. Worked out the robbers only travel 3 miles into a farm building all viewed on numerous camera recordings, so a bit like now you see it now you don't so back pedal a bit, and it was the bus recording showed it turned into a lane but a house cctv didn't show it coming out the other end, nabbed. we can also add fingerprints and DNA testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Didn't we do that as kids, as well as knock door ginger, <deleted> alight and other jinxs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, tgw said: we can also add fingerprints and DNA testing. 1 minute ago, baansgr said: Didn't we do that as kids, as well as knock door ginger, <deleted> alight and other jinxs Not funny for average panda rider with little in his pocket to pay for the food and then not get paid and have no money to take another order, last week we ordered 720 baht Macdonalds on grab and got a phone call from rider he not have money to but it and to reorder and pay on card please. 11 minutes ago, tgw said: we can also add fingerprints and DNA testing. Some people annoy me when they complain about cctv etc and there civil liberties <deleted> but are the first to complain when somebody pinches a garden gnome from the door step, ID cards and stop and search the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Almer said: Some people annoy me when they complain about cctv etc and there civil liberties <deleted> but are the first to complain when somebody pinches a garden gnome from the door step, ID cards and stop and search the way to go. In this case, the shop must have an IP address as well as an associated hostname identifying the ISP. a court order should be necessary for the ISP to release details to the police. It might clear the case or not... the connecting device may be used by others, for example in hotels and restaurants and cafés with "free wifi" but no record of customers. Or someone left his WiFi router open. or or or... Moreover, the identified user however might not be the culprit - police would still have to locate the originating phone, because there are many possibilities of using someone else's internet connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relocated Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Don't accept order unless it is paid with credit card. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Almer said: Some people annoy me when they complain about cctv etc and there civil liberties <deleted> but are the first to complain when somebody pinches a garden gnome from the door step, ID cards and stop and search the way to go. Government CCTVs get a problem when they are used with a working face detection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, tomazbodner said: It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. What if wifi was not used ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, Retarded said: Don't accept order unless it is paid with credit card. Difficult for the street food people but it would start to get away from this prehistoric cash only culture, maybe suit the government, but would have to still be cash in government buildings !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Mega said: What if wifi was not used ? It's either cellular or Wifi/LAN or (unlikely) satellite internet. Regardless, cellular has IMEI/SIM, so does satellite connection, and LAN/Wifi has external IP of the router or to the router. It's possible to trace if one is determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: It's either cellular or Wifi/LAN or (unlikely) satellite internet. Regardless, cellular has IMEI/SIM, so does satellite connection, and LAN/Wifi has external IP of the router or to the router. It's possible to trace if one is determined. Ok so IMEI/SIM... So they can triangulate a signal from cell towers, still not sure what could that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, tomazbodner said: It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. Something like this happened to me, and I managed to obtain the IP address. Went to the police but they did not want to know, didn,t even know what an IP address was, but as you say, the calls can be traced since all call data is stored by the provider for at least 6 months ! I spent almost 6 months proving who had made the call. Even then the police were not interested ! So I hired Thailand,s biggest law firm and then things started to happen VERY quickly ???? Ended up with all my work being very well rewarded, but one really has to be determined to see it through ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Despicable. Because of these shenanigans, I'd guess soon they won't allow cash on delivery payments anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Don Mega said: Ok so IMEI/SIM... So they can triangulate a signal from cell towers, still not sure what could that would be. IMEI is unique to a phone not a SIM, so if the phone was bought legally from a store that recorded the IMEI against the purchaser, then it's traceable, assuming the original purchaser hasn't sold it on. If those conditions untrue, IMEI is no help. SIM tracing works IF the user has legally registered the number against his/her correct name & address or ID/Passport number. Again if the SIM and hence number has been passed on or stolen, then it is no help Therefore, the only way IMEI/SIM tracing works is with legally owned and registered phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, scorecard said: So how does it create/bring revenge? Since nobody has answered your question, lets ask again. What has revenge to do with this, and the revenge would be on who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, VBF said: IMEI is unique to a phone not a SIM, so if the phone was bought legally from a store that recorded the IMEI against the purchaser, then it's traceable, assuming the original purchaser hasn't sold it on. If those conditions untrue, IMEI is no help. SIM tracing works IF the user has legally registered the number against his/her correct name & address or ID/Passport number. Again if the SIM and hence number has been passed on or stolen, then it is no help Therefore, the only way IMEI/SIM tracing works is with legally owned and registered phones. Thanks, yeah my phone was purchased (new) from Lazada... doubt the IMEI is recorded to my name. My sim is not legally registered to my name, when all that nonsense came about I used a Thai ID number that I got from a Thai ID number generator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickudon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Of course, using a card is so safe. My son in the UK has used his contactless card in the UK to pay for food orders since the lockdown. Last week he had an unknown debit - to Lazada in Vietnam! So someone has ripped off his card data. He will get the money back (easy to prove he was not in Vietnam) but now has to wait for a new card. Fortunately he recently opened a new bank account so has another card. Lessons he learned: Contactless is not as safe as claimed. Never rely on just one bank account. I personally do not like contactless cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, rickudon said: Of course, using a card is so safe. My son in the UK has used his contactless card in the UK to pay for food orders since the lockdown. Last week he had an unknown debit - to Lazada in Vietnam! So someone has ripped off his card data. He will get the money back (easy to prove he was not in Vietnam) but now has to wait for a new card. Fortunately he recently opened a new bank account so has another card. Lessons he learned: Contactless is not as safe as claimed. Never rely on just one bank account. I personally do not like contactless cards. That particular scam could have been perpetrated on a contact OR contactless card. The contactless feature only applies when you actually use the card in person and tap it rather than swipe it - it also removes the need to enter a PIN and only works up to a certain value (currently £45 in UK) and occasionally you're asked to enter a PIN anyway. If you order remotely, (telephone) it's a "Cardholder not present" transaction and the contactless feature is irrelevant. Often the CVV number is requested meaning that you must have the physical card or know the number. Yes, someone has ripped off his card data but the Lazada debit could have occurred from ANY past transaction's details having been stolen. As for not liking Contactless....I used to agree but I'm OK with Contactless CREDIT cards (where they have to ask me for the money) but not so keen with DEBIT cards (where I have to fight to get my money back if I'm scammed.) Edited May 18, 2020 by VBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 10 hours ago, smedly said: where all these deliveries going to the same address ? If so sounds like a party was in progress so they were breaking lockdown rules You have not read the article whatsoever have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanmyintmaung Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 6 hours ago, tomazbodner said: It's either cellular or Wifi/LAN or (unlikely) satellite internet. Regardless, cellular has IMEI/SIM, so does satellite connection, and LAN/Wifi has external IP of the router or to the router. It's possible to trace if one is determined. Any free VPN can hide the IP address of the user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curledbean Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 20 hours ago, tomazbodner said: It was ordered from phone. Phone has a SIM. SIM is registered. Phone has serial number. It gets sent to network operator when the SIM connects to the network. If Wifi was used, IP address was recorded. IP can be traced back to specific internet router, and by that to specific internet connection. If this is done from home, the owner of the internet connection can be found - deep logging that most routers take would have a cache of MAC addresses that have connected. If this is public location, on top of that there would likely be CCTV cameras, and with date/time, it could be checked who was around, then trace the IMEI and use outside cameras to track person who used public Wifi and then moved out to know who at the premise was the one who did the order. In any case, should police assist, the culprits can be found. This basically falls under computer crimes, and they went after offenders for far less. Your not in Europe!!! to much thinking to solve a case...lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 20 hours ago, scorecard said: So how does it create/bring revenge? If Grab has issues with Foodpanda which are both delivery services it might be their competitor who make them loose money on these orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 21 hours ago, scorecard said: So how does it create/bring revenge? By wasting the time & energy of a delivery service that someone has a grudge against.. also costing them money to cover the non-delivery of food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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