Popular Post webfact Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 English teacher with poor pronunciation sparks online storm By The Nation An English teacher whose faulty pronunciation confused students nationwide during an online class has become the focus of social media criticism. The debut of online learning yesterday (May 18) revealed a number of problems, including an English teacher who delivered incorrect pronunciation during a Pathom 6 class via Distance Learning TV (DLTV). The footage was shared thousands of times via social media, drawing an outpouring of criticism. Netizens judged that her articulation, pronunciation and wording were incorrect. Many of them complained that she was misleading students by teaching bad English. However, others came out in support of the teacher, creating the hashtag #saveครูวัง and claiming that she was being bullied. Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30388126 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-05-19 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates teacher.mp4 2 4 7 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) No pombem. Edited May 19, 2020 by Misterwhisper 7 1 2 67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post watso63 Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 Well without a video with audio what's the point of this "news" as we are unable to judge for ourselves. 56 7 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 I saw some of the material they were teaching the kids on social media yesterday... Errors all over the place. A lot of it was gibberish. 29 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IvorBiggun2 Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 I saw the program and my kids were in bits laughing. It was truly bad English. Was she auditioned before being put on the TV? 17 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 I guess she is old and/or important and nobody ever dared to tell her that her English is not perfect. I also hear all the time compliments about my Thai language skills... 8 1 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post EricTh Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said: I saw the program and my kids were in bits laughing. It was truly bad English. Was she auditioned before being put on the TV? Do you have the video? We would like to judge ourselves. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 I suggest that she is indicative of the average teachers ability, and completely explains the poor English capability of students here. 58 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post EricTh Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: I guess she is old and/or important and nobody ever dared to tell her that her English is not perfect. I also hear all the time compliments about my Thai language skills... Many people fail to understand that Thai people are learning English as a second language and NOT first language. It's perfectly normal not to speak perfect English as long as people can understand them. I've known many foreigners who still can't speak perfect Thai after many years of studying Thai. 22 5 9 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eindhoven Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, EricTh said: Many people fail to understand that Thai people are learning English as a second language and NOT first language. It's perfectly normal not to speak perfect English as long as people can understand them. I've known many foreigners who still can't speak perfect Thai after many years of studying Thai. But they aren't teaching others Thai language. 96 23 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cake Monster Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 My Daughter was greeted with " Good Evening >>> < How are you tomorrow " when she signed in this Morning With Teachers such as these, there is no hope for the Country 26 3 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post neverere Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, EricTh said: Many people fail to understand that Thai people are learning English as a second language and NOT first language. It's perfectly normal not to speak perfect English as long as people can understand them. I've known many foreigners who still can't speak perfect Thai after many years of studying Thai. Nonsense, this is about teaching. In this case the teacher should have been vetted for English speaking ability prior to being used in this capacity. 46 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trainman34014 Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said: I saw the program and my kids were in bits laughing. It was truly bad English. Was she auditioned before being put on the TV? Auditioned by who; someone who can do no better than her no doubt ? When it comes to English they need proper Native speaking Teachers as their own Thai Teachers are near useless ! 27 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, EricTh said: Many people fail to understand that Thai people are learning English as a second language and NOT first language. It's perfectly normal not to speak perfect English as long as people can understand them. I've known many foreigners who still can't speak perfect Thai after many years of studying Thai. That's not the point. English is also not my first language and I communicate in English every day. But I am not an English teacher. From a teacher we should expect good pronunciation and, depending on the level they teach, good understanding of the details of the language. 26 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Eindhoven said: But they aren't teaching others Thai language. What I am trying to say is that even if the teacher speaks perfect Thai, the students still can't speak perfect Thai. Replace Thai with English above. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cooked Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 I came upon a late night emission teaching German. Oh boy, it was BAD. The problem is that native English teachers aren't welcome, they would show the Thai teachers of English up. An English English teacher I know fought for years to get them to admit that the text book they were using contained many serious and unnecessary errors and that putting the scholars through exams based on this textbook was pointless. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EricTh Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: That's not the point. English is also not my first language and I communicate in English every day. But I am not an English teacher. From a teacher we should expect good pronunciation and, depending on the level they teach, good understanding of the details of the language. For a European to learn another Indo-European language is much easier than for a Thai to learn a European language which is so different from theirs and vice versa. Furthermore, there are much more opportunities for you to practice English back home than Thai people. A Thai teacher should have 'good' pronunciation but one shouldn't expect her to have perfect pronunciation as a native speaker. Anyway, there are so many different English accents such as American, British, Australian so which one is considered 'good'? Edited May 19, 2020 by EricTh 8 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trainman34014 Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, EricTh said: For a European to learn another Indo-European language is much easier than for a Thai to learn a European language which is so different from theirs and vice versa. Furthermore, there are much more opportunities for you to practice English back home than Thai people. A Thai teacher should have 'good' pronunciation but one shouldn't expect her to have perfect pronunciation as a native speaker. Anyway, there are so many different English accents such as American, British, Australian so which one is considered 'perfect'? Can understand all your points Eric but the fact remains that Thailand needs to employ Native English speakers to teach its Children (and its Teachers) well. It works well in China, Japan and South Korea to name just three country's. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fredwiggy Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, EricTh said: For a European to learn another Indo-European language is much easier than for a Thai to learn a European language which is so different from theirs and vice versa. Furthermore, there are much more opportunities for you to practice English back home than Thai people. A Thai teacher should have 'good' pronunciation but one shouldn't expect her to have perfect pronunciation as a native speaker. Anyway, there are so many different English accents such as American, British, Australian so which one is considered 'good'? American is considered native speaking English and that's why some schools look to hire those from America, who don't have an accent. All English speaking "accents" are good, and a Thai can learn from all of them, but to learn the correct pronunciation, they have to use American native speakers. if you know how to pronounce the words and phrases correctly, with proper intonation, your level of speech understanding is also increased.( sentence borrowed from google) 5 2 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colinneil Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Last evening, my wife brought home some of the written work that she has to get the teachers to take to students homes for them to do. I nearly wet myself, the grammar was pathetic..... Johhny went to the shop for a dozen of eggs, that was on 1 of the papers. Edited May 19, 2020 by colinneil 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post n00dle Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: American is considered native speaking English and that's why some schools look to hire those from America, who don't have an accent. All English speaking "accents" are good, and a Thai can learn from all of them, but to learn the correct pronunciation, they have to use American native speakers. if you know how to pronounce the words and phrases correctly, with proper intonation, your level of speech understanding is also increased.( sentence borrowed from google) Why would you think american native speakers dont have an accent? That is just ridiculous. They all clearly do have an american accent, likely affected by region. Accents can be more neutral or more pronounced, but every english teacher regardless has an accent by definition. 8 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post n00dle Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 What amuses me is that she has been teaching student this way all her career, as have many of her colleagues. It surely should not suprise anyone at this late date 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Metropolitian Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, johng said: Years ago there was a streetfoodvendor not far from here selling pasta food. On its boothbanner in big letters. SAPAGETTY To this day missus still speaks of Sa Pag Het Tee Why I gave it up and cooking macaroni instead ???? 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: American is considered native speaking English and that's why some schools look to hire those from America, who don't have an accent. All English speaking "accents" are good, and a Thai can learn from all of them, but to learn the correct pronunciation, they have to use American native speakers. if you know how to pronounce the words and phrases correctly, with proper intonation, your level of speech understanding is also increased.( sentence borrowed from google) Americans don't have an accent?? Totally speechless at the ignorance on this statement 21 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Misterwhisper said: No pombem. my yep u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said: I saw some of the material they were teaching the kids on social media yesterday... Errors all over the place. A lot of it was gibberish. that's what happens when they don't want to hire native english speaking teachers 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fredwiggy Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Americans do have accents. My parents were born in Brooklyn, I New Jersey. We sound a tad different. I have many southern and Texas friends, where I lived for 30 years. They have a drawl to their speaking, an accent, while my 4 children that were born in Texas speak like me, and my ex,also from New Jersey, with no accent. Everyone I've ever known from the northeast besides New York and Boston sounds like I do. I don't know what you mean by myself having an accent. I was hired to speak at an English school here because I don't have an accent, but am a native English speaker. They have one other from Tennessee that speaks like i do, 3 from Cameroon that sound like those from England, because they were taught in Africa by a teacher from England, and one that is half Indian and half English, and sounds like both in his accent. If you say a native English speaking person has an accent, that IS the accent, correct English, by pronunciation. So I guess I do have an accent. Edited May 19, 2020 by fredwiggy 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, EricTh said: What I am trying to say is that even if the teacher speaks perfect Thai, the students still can't speak perfect Thai. Replace Thai with English above. A teacher should be well-versed in the subject they teach. That's why they teach that subject. Otherwise why employ them to teach? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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