Bars allowed to open sooner if case count stays low

[ubon farang]

Sooner or later they have to open the bars. People make a living out of bars like Bar girls, Pub owners. Government. rock bands. Just open the damm places. You got more chance here getting hit by a bad driver than the virus

[Fairynuff]

2 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Do you also then believe the numbers the Chinese government provides to the foreign media? 

 

Or, better yet, because you have not seen any person die in China, would you then assume that nobody did die? 

 

I'm trying to help you see the faults in your logic. 

I’m still trying to get your logic. Explain this to me please.

In my home country, every single one of the people I’m in contact with, be they friends or family, they all know someone who’s lost someone to the virus or had the virus. Here in Bangkok, I’m not aware of anyone who’s had the virus or knows anyone who’s had the virus and certainly no knowledge of anyone dying from the virus.

according to YOUR logic, what should I conclude?

[Fairynuff]

59 minutes ago, Ryan754326 said:

The thing that nobody seems to acknowledge, is that the old, fat Farangs haven’t stopped meeting bar girls. They just have to meet on the street, or online instead of in bars now. 
None of the old expats or working girls that I know have been sick, or know anyone who has been sick. If this virus was as contagious and deadly as they say, we should see expats and hookers dropping like flies here in Pattaya, but we don’t. 

Not even from balconies?

[Fairynuff]

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Are you not worried about the most dangerous roads in the world, terrible elf and safety, dengue fever, botulism, salmonella, e coli etc etc 

What on earth has all that got to do with C19? Ridiculous argument

[sawadee1947]

21 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The numbers are not rising in the UK and pubs/bars are not open.

Hmmh, I think around 3300 new cases says different ????

[sambum]

21 hours ago, keith101 said:

We can expect the numbers to rise again like what's happening in the UK and US etc .

My friends in the UK will be over the moon when I tell them that the bars are open - obviously someone forgot to tell them!  

[Fairynuff]

3 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

 

The latest from Oxford is that the vaccine doesn't stop you getting infected

However it stops you from getting severe symptoms & pneumonia.

To be fair that sounds good enough, but still a lot of testing to do and problems can occur along the way

Most vaccines, flu especially don’t stop you getting any virus, they lessen the severity of the symptoms 

[Canuck1966]

10 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

What on earth has all that got to do with C19? Ridiculous argument

No it wasn't

He says he will self isolate as soon as foreigners come back into the country

My point is that there is already plenty of danger in Thailand and you can't hide from everything

[sambum]

There's the BIG CARROT!

[chuck holmes]

20 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Of course QR code to enter/exit.

I do not care l don't drink.

[JimGant]

20 hours ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Doesn't matter what people do if Thailand doesn't open its borders. If no one has it, no one can catch it.

Not ironclad, but certainly close enough to allow proprietors to open their businesses, and rehire their employees. Thailand is certainly at the point where the cure is now way out of whack with any predictable health emergency. Even a few more deaths, via a lurking virus carrier, is certainly worth the needed reopening of the economy. Yeah, we'll need the tourists to reappear -- but hopefully we'll soon have a virus check at the airport that is foolproof, and near instantaneous -- at least eliminating false negatives (let the false positives go home and replan their vacations -- we can live with that).

[yuyiinthesky]

47 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

I’m following trump’s advice, I’m on hydrochloroquine, and zinc and I swig it down with a good glass of bleach, and as trump says “ I seem to be ok so far”

And the UV light in the bottom too? It might be the key to success ????

[tribalfusion001]

3 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Oh ok, so another 400+ dead people in the UK yesterday, that’s not a rise in the number of deaths? 

The figure rise on Tuesday's as deaths at home are included from the weekend, then drop back down, do some research!

[tomauasia]

22 hours ago, keith101 said:

We can expect the numbers to rise again like what's happening in the UK and US etc .

I don't think so. Common sense used. But Thai bars yes. Foreigners are more cautious 

[tomauasia]

21 hours ago, time2093 said:

So you think the numbers will rise because the bars will be opened soon and not from the thousands of people who are packed like sardines using the overcrowded BTS and MRT trains everyday in Bangkok or JJ market on the weekends?....lets blame the bars, why not.

Yep they are lost in translation 

[Phil McCaverty]

2 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:

I will stand corrected until I learn more, but, I do remember something several weeks ago where it was reported that in Hua Hin they were going to do Covid tests for Foreigners at about 1500 Baht a time. In that article I am sure I read that a doctor stated treatment would still be free if you were diagnosed as positive. Maybe it was all a dream......

See my post #136

[Sean60]

We need to open soon. The hospitality industry can not go on like this for much longer.

[bluedoc]

22 hours ago, keith101 said:

We can expect the numbers to rise again like what's happening in the UK and US etc .

Not sure about the numbers rising in the UK again?

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, bluedoc said:

Not sure about the numbers rising in the UK again?

No, they are not, some posters on picking up on figures released after the weekend. They reckon near zero deaths by the end of June.

[AgMech Cowboy]

21 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The UK and USA have never had the situation under control, so not comparable.

@FritsSikkink

New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts have never had it under control.  There are more than 50% of the states that have 9 or less deaths per 100,000 people. Thailand as of yesterday is at 8 deaths per 100,000 people.  As of May 19, only Russia, Norway, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, New Zealand and Australia are reporting more test per 1,000 people than the USA. You're off base to compare the whole USA to other 'countries'.  The Governors of each state have in some cases more control over their USA state than the Presidents of some European nations and even supersede the USA President on many things.  Don't lump Montana or Hawaii in the same class as New York. 

[Caine]

21 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The UK and USA have never had the situation under control, so not comparable.

Nor has Thailand they can’t lie straight in bed. Single figures my ar*e

[spidermike007]

22 hours ago, keith101 said:

We can expect the numbers to rise again like what's happening in the UK and US etc .

Total BS. Absolute panic mongering. Those kinds of statements should be illegal. They are massively ill informed. There are so many alternate factors at work here. In addition to the fact that Covid is more or less dead and buried here. The opening of bars and restaurants will barely be a blip on the count total. As long as Thailand is able to keep it from being brought back into the country, via international tourists, in the weeks and months ahead. 

 

In reality, if Thailand hopes to be able to encourage domestic travel, or attract foreigners, it has to open it's nightlife. There is no alternative. People are hungry for entertainment and nightlife, and the workers need to work, and feed their families. 

 

There are an awful lot of guys on this forum, who post similarly indifferent statements, while enjoying a very nice monthly pension, and the luxury of savings and investments. The nation needs to go back to work.

Edited May 20, 2020 by spidermike007

[Ketyo]

Single digits. So what's the point of the curfew. Thailand is getting more like China every day. Scared authoritarian leaders.

[mjakob007]

Number of positive cases are proportionate to the number of tests conducted. Don’t test any and there wont be many positive cases.

 

There may be some outliers based on the density of population etc.

 

 

Thailand has tested 4099/1million, lower than Dominican Republic. Iraq, Costa Rica, Columbia and Rwanda seems to in the range of thailand in terms of number of tests per million. Number of infections in Costa Rica and Rwanda are 1/4 of thailand, while Columbia has x5 of thailand and Iraq almost same number of infections as Thailand.

 

There was interesting comparision between UK and Sweden in terms of lockdown vs infections. However, big variation in terms of population.

 

 

 

[Phil McCaverty]

2 minutes ago, mjakob007 said:

Number of positive cases are proportionate to the number of tests conducted. Don’t test any and there wont be many positive cases.

And for many countries the number of tests is equal to the number of people turning up at hospital with symptoms. Less people with symptoms = less tests.

 

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

A better statistic but by no means reliable is the number of people dying.

[Sumarianson]

23 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Keep them shut, it's saving me a fortune

You can always stay at home and hide from the boogy virus.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The figure rise on Tuesday's as deaths at home are included from the weekend, then drop back down, do some research!

The death toll RISES EVERY DAY. That’s a fact. The rate of increase is slowing. Research would better be done by you. Facts!

[John CS]

The idea that anything actually controls the virus is a myth, as is social distancing or the lockdown scenarios, the Sweden example/response demonstrates this, its a new respiratory virus of unknown origin. There are claims it has been isolated. The knowledge we do know of it is that various Govts and private concerns have been working on the Corona Virus at least since 2010, in Bio Labs ( SL4) around the world.

So being a Virus it will work its way through its host population and die out, our natural  Immune systems defeat it, but it is NEVER controlled, something the authorities should have been truthful about from the start before deciding to project FEAR and destroy , world economies. It seems Thailand has come out of this virus well, possibly due to its climate.

I guess many authorities wanted some kind of 'New Normal' what ever that means?

Hope this is meaningful

[Sumarianson]

Like Italy the UK, US and France will see the numbers of alleged COVID patients drop by 96% as near everyone who died was recorded as COVID. Facts revealed by MP's in the Italian Parliament. There is a natural cure announced by the President of Madagascar and the President of Tanzania who is himself a qualified Doctor and scientist, sent many samples to be tested giving them ages, names and a sex. He sent samples of Durian, Sheeps blood, Goats blood, Paw Paw fruit, engine oil and many more. The tests that came back from the lab were laughable. Paw Paw is a gonner having been diagnosed as positive and Durian is in quarentine. Then they expect people to trust the tests? No one is sticking anything in my body to test or other. I am not going to be tracked by government either. Rights are taken little by little and with stealth. Beware.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Sumarianson

[tribalfusion001]

20 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

The death toll RISES EVERY DAY. That’s a fact. The rate of increase is slowing. Research would better be done by you. Facts!

It seems took my comment the wrong way, the amounts are lower on Sunday and Monday, higher on Tuesday with home/care deaths added from the weekend, then the figures settle back again after the midweek blip. Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly. The trajectory is going down, same as most other European countries.