UK announces new post-Brexit global tariff regime

[7by7 10,510]

Just now, vinny41 said:

And still the Conservatives up 4% since election while Labour has only gain 1% and the lib dems have lost 6%

See my addendum to my previous: "Your refusal to accept the figures you, yourself first linked to means we are going round in circles.

 

If you want yet another attempt at justifying that refusal; take it. I wont be responding further. Your figures speak for themselves, no matter how much you try to deny it."

[bannork 8,951]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

OMG, you are not doing very well are you, you keep dodging the question to your own argument, you are hilarious!!!

 

Anyway, at least one good thing, you wont be using your own flawed argument anymore.......

 

Looks like you been on too much of the pop yourself............

Sorry to disappoint you but every time some Brexiteer claims Brexit was the will of the people I will remind them that only a minority of the voters voted for Brexit. 

[vinny41 1,869]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

See my addendum to my previous: "Your refusal to accept the figures you, yourself first linked to means we are going round in circles.

 

If you want yet another attempt at justifying that refusal; take it. I wont be responding further. Your figures speak for themselves, no matter how much you try to deny it."

Its you that refuses to accept that since the election the Conservatives are  up 4% since election while Labour has only gain 1% and the lib dems have lost 6%

[7by7 10,510]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

So, on that logic everyone who didn't vote Tory wants to remain right?

 

Many Labour supporters voted leave, maybe your humanities teacher is the one who should be facing the chop!

 

Some basic maths for you:- 53+43=96, not 100.

 

The parties that the remaining 4% voted for all supported Brexit in one form or another, but didn't demand or promise a final referendum on the deal.

 

I am not saying that all of the 53% want to remain; but they did want a choice on the deal. Most of the parties that 53% voted for, especially Labour, supported Brexit in principle in their manifestoes; but also promised a referendum on the final deal.

 

BTW: many Tory supporters voted remain.

[sungod 3,541]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 

 

 

BTW: many Tory supporters voted remain.

Correct, you just stuffed your own argument.

[sungod 3,541]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

Sorry to disappoint you but every time some Brexiteer claims Brexit was the will of the people I will remind them that only a minority of the voters voted for Brexit. 

So, same results in  a Scottish Independence referendum. Should Scotland get independence or remain in the UK. Its your argument so answer the question. If you cant back your own logic then you will just confirm what many of us are thinking, that you really have no idea what you are talking about. 

[vinny41 1,869]

19 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 If you believe 43% is a majority, then your maths teacher should be ashamed.

 

Yes, our first past the post system meant that despite only receiving 43% of the votes, the Tories gained a majority of 80 seats. That is why the will of the 53% who voted for the promise of another referendum will be ignored.

Its simply really if the promise of another referendum was the single key issue both the SNP and Lib dems could have said we will not stand any candidates in the 2019 General election we want all of our voters to vote Labour

And as I recall the majority of the electorate didn't vote Yes to remain in the 1975 eec rederendum so the UK remained in the EEC on a minority vote of the total electorate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

[7by7 10,510]

Just now, sungod said:

Correct, you just stuffed your own argument.

 How so?

 

53% voted for parties who promised a referendum; fact.

 

Just as some Labour voters may have switched their vote to Conservative in December because they supported Brexit, though not very many as the Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%, some Conservative voters who didn't support Brexit, or at least want another referendum on the deal, may have switched their vote to those parties promising a referendum; such as the LibDems whose share increased by 4.2%; the largest increase of all.

[7by7 10,510]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Its simply really if the promise of another referendum was the single key issue both the SNP and Lib dems could have said we will not stand any candidates in the 2019 General election we want all of our voters to vote Labour

Perhaps they should have done; as Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems and Greens did in some Welsh seats.

 

Farage withdrew many of his Brexit Party candidates in many Tory marginal seats, telling his supporters there to vote Tory. Much to the chagrin of his candidates in those seats, if I recall.

 

I wonder how different the result would have been had he not done so.

 

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And as I recall the majority of the electorate didn't vote Yes to remain in the 1975 eec rederendum so the UK remained in the EEC on a minority vote of the total electorate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

My firm belief, as expressed much earlier in this topic, is that it is only those who exercise their right to vote who should be counted, and those who choose not to should be ignored.

 

But as the above indicates that you believe differently, then a reminder that the majority of the electorate didn't vote leave in 2016.

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[vinny41 1,869]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Perhaps they should have done; as Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems and Greens did in some Welsh seats.

 

As Farage did in some Tory seats, telling his supporters to vote Tory. Much to the chagrin of his candidates in those seats, if I recall.

 

My firm belief, as expressed much earlier in this topic, is that it is only those who exercise their right to vote who should be counted, and those who choose not to should be ignored.

 

But as the above indicates that you believe differently, then a reminder that the majority of the electorate didn't vote leave in 2016.

Yes and we both know that in 1975 referendum The majority that did vote to remain won and in the 2016 referendum the majority that did vote to leave won

[7by7 10,510]

Just now, vinny41 said:

Yes and we both know that in 1975 referendum The majority that did vote to remain won and in the 2016 referendum the majority that did vote to leave won

I have never denied that Leave won in 2016.

 

You're the one who made the point that in 1975 the majority of the electorate did not vote to remain. I was merely applying your point to 2016.

[bannork 8,951]

20 minutes ago, sungod said:

So, same results in  a Scottish Independence referendum. Should Scotland get independence or remain in the UK. Its your argument so answer the question. If you cant back your own logic then you will just confirm what many of us are thinking, that you really have no idea what you are talking about. 

I've already told you that I believe any referendum should include compulsory voting and from that a majority could be ascertained.

Please try to be less patronising, and and at the same time, less obtuse.

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14 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 How so?

 

53% voted for parties who promised a referendum; fact.

 

Just as some Labour voters may have switched their vote to Conservative in December because they supported Brexit, though not very many as the Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%, some Conservative voters who didn't support Brexit, or at least want another referendum on the deal, may have switched their vote to those parties promising a referendum; such as the LibDems whose share increased by 4.2%; the largest increase of all.

No matter how many times you play around with the numbers, the fact remains that under electoral rules the UK voted to leave the EU, and later voted in a Tory government that promised to implement Brexit; by a landslide. 

None of your jiggery pokery will change these facts, so you'd better learn to live with it for the sake of your own sanity 

[sungod 3,541]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

I've already told you that I believe any referendum should include compulsory voting and from that a majority could be ascertained.

Please try to be less patronising, and and at the same time, less obtuse.

I have asked you repeatedly to answer a question based on your own argument. You have continually avoided the question.

 

It says a lot about a person that when they cannot even stand by their own argument, and as such I will no longer be replying to you after this post, you no longer have any credibility.

[Chelseafan 3,177]

On 5/20/2020 at 8:18 AM, RuamRudy said:

Well go on then, help us understand the tangible benefits. How will our lives improve as a result of brexit, and why, on the cusp of a crisis, is it wise to strike out alone?

As someone who deals with tariffs (and quotas) every day this could be very good for the UK provided it is negociated WELL.

The EU is a protectionist state and consumers have been ripped off for years with artifically high tariffs.