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16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

The amount of fish caught by the UK in uk waters has been steadily increasing.i,m sure it has

It has; whether you believe the figures or not. If you don't believe my source, provide one which shows the opposite. Facts, though, not opinions.

 

18 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and how much of it has had to be out back due to eu quotas?

I'm assuming you mean "put back" as "out back" makes no sense.

 

In which case; none. The figures are for tonnage landed.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/20/2020 at 2:09 PM, Rookiescot said:

Thats not how tariffs work. Ultimately it will be UK consumers who have to pay. 

Only until they can buy from elsewhere or produce domestically 

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10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

On your first point I said let's see how the eu countries react to the proposal,what don,t you understand about that?

In your first post you presented it as a fait accompli. You only said "let's see how the eu countries react to the proposal" after I pointed out that it was no such thing.

 

You also originally put proposal in inverted commas.

 

14 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Johnson won the election with a large majority of over 80 seats,what is it about democracy you don,t understand?

 

The vagaries of our first past the post system meant that the Tories increased their seats by 14.7% to give them that majority. Despite their share of the vote only increasing by 1.2% to 43.6%.

 

Which does not alter the fact that 53% voted for parties which promised a referendum.

 

As a supporter of democracy who is calling for referendums in other countries, it seems very strange that you do not support the wish for one here as expressed by the majority of voters in the General election.

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1 minute ago, kingdong said:

We had a referendum about brexit and the majority voted to leave,try and get over it,

 

As has been repeatedly shown over the last four years, many (most?) of those who voted to leave in 2016 have come to the realisation that they were conned.

 

As proven when 53% voted for parties promising a referendum last December.

 

What is more relevant to today; an opinion expressed four years ago, or one expressed 6 months ago?

 

The point is, of course, moot. The Tories have a large majority, and there is no way Cummings will allow another referendum; he knows what the result will be.

 

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

when the eu tears itself apart you,'ll know it makes sense,

Johnson and his boss obviously don't share your view; if they do, why are they so desperate to make a deal with them?

 

I wonder what your reaction will be when Cummings finally unveils his deal and, apart from selling out Northern Ireland, it is identical in all important aspects to May's. Remember, the one so many Brexiteers labelled BRINO!

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2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

In your first post you presented it as a fait accompli. You only said "let's see how the eu countries react to the proposal" after I pointed out that it was no such thing.

 

You also originally put proposal in inverted commas.

 

 

The vagaries of our first past the post system meant that the Tories increased their seats by 14.7% to give them that majority. Despite their share of the vote only increasing by 1.2% to 43.6%.

 

Which does not alter the fact that 53% voted for parties which promised a referendum.

 

As a supporter of democracy who is calling for referendums in other countries, it seems very strange that you do not support the wish for one here as expressed by the majority of voters in the General election.

So which opposition party got 53% of the vote?oh sorry you said parties,don,t you understand how the voting systems in the UK work?if you don,t agree and live in Britain why not leave? I wonder if we,d have had all this carry on if the electorate voted to stay in the eu?would you have been up in arms about the percentage who didn,t vote? I left this country once but had to return my experience told me where justice and freedom are concerned there's a lot worse places than britain.as it's obvious we,'re not going to agree can we draw a line under it,at least till I get a new tab this spell checker on it has a mind of its own and is getting on my tits.

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Staggering, I wonder how the Tories ended up with such a huge majority, just lucky I guess, as they pillaged the northern heartlands of the inept Labour party

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12 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Staggering, I wonder how the Tories ended up with such a huge majority, just lucky I guess, as they pillaged the northern heartlands of the inept Labour party

Shows how betrayed the northern heartlands must have felt.

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5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

So which opposition party got 53% of the vote?oh sorry you said parties,don,t you understand how the voting systems in the UK work?

Yes, I do understand how our first past the post system works; and explained it in the post you quoted! Didn't you understand that explanation?

 

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

if you don,t agree and live in Britain why not leave?

A typical response from someone who has no argumant.

 

As a British citizen living in the UK it is my democratic right to criticise, object to and protest against the policies of the government of the day. To campaign for changes to the voting system here to give a result which is more reflective of the actual votes cast.

 

12 minutes ago, kingdong said:

I wonder if we,d have had all this carry on if the electorate voted to stay in the eu?would you have been up in arms about the percentage who didn,t vote?

Do you really believe that the likes of Farage would have accepted the referendum result had it gone the other way by such a small margin?

 

If you do, you are wrong: Nigel Farage reminded of priceless 2016 comments; "The prominent Brexiteer was quoted as saying that there could be “unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June”.

He said there would be resentment, particularly in the Conservative Party, if not, with claims the referendum will not have been a fair contest.

The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.""

 

I have never been "up in arms about the percentage who didn't vote." In fact, until now have not mentioned them at all. I firmly believe that in a democracy as well as having the right to vote, we also have the right not to vote. 

 

19 minutes ago, kingdong said:

I left this country once but had to return my experience told me where justice and freedom are concerned there's a lot worse places than britain

Indeed there are.

 

The UK is a Parliamentary democracy, and in such we have the right to change our minds.

 

As Boris Johnson, has done several times: How Boris Johnson has changed his views on Europe.

 

If he can change his mind, why can't we?

 

25 minutes ago, kingdong said:

as it's obvious we,'re not going to agree can we draw a line under it,at least till I get a new tab this spell checker on it has a mind of its own and is getting on my tits.

Up to you.

 

BTW, it's not just your tits that your errant spell checker is getting on!

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17 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Shows how betrayed the northern heartlands must have felt.

They're going to feel really betrayed when the 'levelling'of the regions never happens as The Chancellor of the Exchequer warned, 'The UK is facing a recession on an unprecedented scale'.

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