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9 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

The treaty is being broken by Russia. What is the proper response when a treaty is not being complied with?  Why do your part if the other party isn't doing what they promised. The 'deal' has already been broken, now a correct reaction is being sought.

This is a very interesting turn of events when you think about it. The usual suspects are constantly crying about how nice Trump is to Putin and how he does what Putin wants. Now, Trump calls BS on Russia, pulls out of a treaty they keep violating and the same people come to do Putin's will. Nothing short of incredible.

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1 hour ago, keithathome said:

Very shortsighted; we in the west as a more open society have a lot more to lose from this. 

Its a smoke screen for what only Donald knows

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1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

You clearly missed where Trump said ""I think we have a very good relationship with Russia."

 

Now when the US pulls out of the treaty, gives Russia reason to pull out as well, which would mean the US and Russia will not be able to make inspection flights over each country.

 

But that also would mean that European countries can not make the flight any more, which make Russia the strong man, because Trump will provide his matey with any info he needs, and Putin will fly over Europe anyway

Would, could, maybe... And you think Russia can't come up with a reason to withdraw as it stands? Thanks, I'll pass.

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4 hours ago, Susco said:

 

You clearly missed where Trump said ""I think we have a very good relationship with Russia."

 

Now when the US pulls out of the treaty, gives Russia reason to pull out as well, which would mean the US and Russia will not be able to make inspection flights over each country.

 

But that also would mean that European countries can not make the flight any more, which make Russia the strong man, because Trump will provide his matey with any info he needs, and Putin will fly over Europe anyway

As in the previous case, there is a convergence of interest between the US and Russia in breaking this treaty.

As previously, it has nothing to do with Russia, but all to do with China. Trump doesn't care a damn what the outcome may be for European allies.

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18 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

"“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion."

Don't know how to spend on own infrastructure and affordable medical care though.

What is more important in this world filled with rogue nations and totalitarian regimes? Would you prefer a bumpy ride or national security, given a choice?

 

However, the infrastructure has been deteriorating for decades, so let's not make this all about Trump too. He's been working hard on medical care and trying to get money for infrastructure, unfortunately the Democrats have quite a bit of say about how money is spent.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Susco said:

<SNIP> European countries can not make the flight any more

 US unilaterally pulled out of the agreement, as they have on a number of occasions under trump. NATO member countries who are signatories to the agreement still have overflight rights. Accordingly US will still have access to the intelligence whilst Russia will not be able to overfly the US. trump unilaterally cancels multinational agreements, yet has a woeful record of negotiating new treaties e.g. USMCA and China trade war neither of which have provided the US with significant advantages, in fact you could argue US tariffs on Chinese goods have generated more harm than good to the US economy. USMCA analysis...

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/usmca-marginal-nafta-upgrade-high-cost

 

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“We know how to win these races and we know how to spend the adversary into oblivion. If we have to, we will, but we sure would like to avoid it," Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control Marshall Billingslea told the Hudson Institute think tank.

 

What can one say? This is an administration that is so fabulously misguided by hubris, and false sense of America's current place in the world, and the desire to go it alone. In an era of globalization, you cannot do that, without diminishing the nation, which Trump and his ignorant band of BOBS (bottom of the barrel selections) within the administration are doing daily. Embrace dictators, coddle and protect them at all costs, and alienate every ally possible, seems to be the current Trump creed. America is going downhill fast, and this guy is precipitating the fall. 

 

Not to worry. We only have 8 months remaining of his stunning incompetence, and then we may return to civility. That is if the world embraces it's once close ally again. 

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A stupid treaty to begin with. " Unarmed " surveillance planes for whatever reason being translated to unarmed bombers flying over Alaska. 

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On 5/22/2020 at 8:33 PM, Traubert said:

Not quite millions yet.

Well he talks like his master

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On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2020 at 8:54 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, millions. 2.2 million to be exact.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

 

Of course, this is just one of the "models"... well, none of them are right. Just wild guesses by political activists posing as "scientists".

Absolut BS again:

20200524 total-deaths-covid-19.png

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21 hours ago, tropo said:

What is more important in this world filled with rogue nations and totalitarian regimes? Would you prefer a bumpy ride or national security, given a choice?

 

However, the infrastructure has been deteriorating for decades, so let's not make this all about Trump too. He's been working hard on medical care and trying to get money for infrastructure, unfortunately the Democrats have quite a bit of say about how money is spent.

 

 

Well, it looks like it's the Republicans who oppose spending money infrastructure , same as last year.

https://www.startribune.com/early-divisions-as-congress-weighs-next-help-for-economy/569262322/

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