JackThompson Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, fraggleRock said: If you have a work permit and pay taxes? - I think the fact your not a Thai national may have something to do with it, just look at how Australia are not discriminating - one rule for all, you all pay.... from my understanding - feel free to correct me... I do have a work-permit and pay taxes here, now. This made no improvement dealing with immigration, though - just adds more paperwork hurdles. As to taxes, we USAs even have to pay if we don't live there - same as China and North Korea (I think the only others). I have not lived/worked as a foreign-national in Austraila, but I doubt their immigration dept is run based on an agent/evelope racket, which would constitute felony offenses in the USA. It's the same with many other govt-departments, which operate the same way against Thais. Ask some about the land-dept, when they buy/sell/transfer. Those are the ones to which the "complaining and finger pointing" is well-deserved. Edited May 23, 2020 by JackThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mattd Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Mr Meeseeks said: You are missing the point again and again. Nobody had to leave. They made the choice to leave. NO, you are missing the point completely or on purpose. Some people HAD to leave to go to work, some people do not have the fortune of being retired or to work in Thailand, yes, they chose their profession, what they didn't choose is the fact they cannot return. The government are allowing limited numbers of Thais to return, this is because as of now there is limited space in the facilities, they are talking of opening this up to give those returning a choice at their cost, when this happens then I see no reason why a foreigner cannot return back to his or her family, I would agree Thais should come first, I've never stated that they shouldn't be given first priority. My point is and always has been, that some people had NO choice but to go to work, others on here think that they did have that choice and have limitless pots of cash to never go to work. 6 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Crystal clear, why should the Thai government have to shoulder that cost for an alien ? Who has ever said, apart from you, that a foreigner should expect the Thai government to pay for the quarantine? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Paiman said: May be off topic, you blow yourself some kisses in the morning seeing yourself in the mirror? I give me wanga a shake and go PHWOAR ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HenryC Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Don Mega said: A real family man would get a job locally to support his family rather than leave the to it for extended periods of time to work abroad. A real family man gets a job that can provide best for his family, generally for expats that's not in Thailand where salaries are low. People working in Oil and gas for instance. Our money been building houses and supporting the Thai economy for decades pal. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Are they denying entry to Thai citizens ? They are "slow walking" it. All should be allowed to return immediately. There is plenty of quantine space available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mattd Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Are they denying entry to Thai citizens ? No, they are limiting the numbers, this can be increased. I know of Thais stranded overseas and are desperate to come home. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BobbyL Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 This situation has definitely shown Thailand's lack of civil rights once again. As many other countries are allowing its citizens and people with residency to return during the pandemic, Thailand has only allowed Thais to enter and the 'aliens' have no place. If the 14 day quarantine was properly imposed then it makes absolutely difference whether a Thai or a foreigner (providing they have the correct documentation to live here) return to the country. As usual, Thailand once again shows it lack of acceptance towards non - Thais and a xenophobic approach. I guess as anyone who knows about the culture here shouldn't be surprised at the lack of empathy as we are all aliens in their eyes. As other people have posted, situations like these make me think about whether I really want to live here long term or perhaps we should move back to England again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze666 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rod the Sod said: It makes zero difference, we are still people and we are married together. I am on a retirement visa and this is our main residence. Our home is in Bangkok. That's it. If Thailand doesn't acknowledge people in our situation they should not market a "retirement visa". Which is why you put retirement visa in '' It means nothing, just a term used to allow one over 50 to stay here for a whole 12 months. Ever wondered why there isn't a residence visa available like they have in some neighbouring countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineapple01 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Are they denying entry to Thai citizens ? NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BobbyL said: ... As other people have posted, situations like these make me think about whether I really want to live here long term or perhaps we should move back to England again. There are other options than those two - my passport-country is near the bottom of my country-option-list - but a Thai wife may not want to leave her culture and family, even for "more money" - one of the things I respect about Thais, vs women in some other countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod the Sod Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Keyser Soze666 said: Which is why you put retirement visa in '' It means nothing, just a term used to allow one over 50 to stay here for a whole 12 months. Ever wondered why there isn't a residence visa available like they have in some neighbouring countries? Agree, but a quick look in my passport shows the IO writing Retirement within the stamp. To my point, don't market it as a retirement visa if they don't intend that you actually come and retire here. Call it a one-year visa and have done with it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, JackThompson said: They are "slow walking" it. All should be allowed to return immediately. There is plenty of quantine space available. they should learn to swim then cause the other issue is very limited flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strabel23 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 6 hours ago, geriatrickid said: Tough but understandable move by the government. The Thais knew what they were dealing with and responded appropriately. Yes, some foreigners would have respected the self isolation requirements and yes some have legitimate reasons to return, Unfortunately, there are alsoforeigners up to no good without the financial means or health insurance to take care of themselves. Some would not have respected the self isolation. Thailand did not have the means or resources to manage that exposure. Because of a few duds, everyone will suffer. And please, no lectures on how this is unfair when we see in the forums the stories of how some farangs play the system and cheat. Sorry to the many people who are suffering, but this is the cost of tolerating scum who are often excused away as poor hard done folk. All it takes is a few selfish gits landing from Italy, Russia, USA. UK to spread death and disease. Lol are you that nieve to think that all Thais are respecting the self isolation requirements and is okay to allow them to return to their homes and families but it is not okay to allow foreigners to return home to their Thais wives and families because you think there are some duds that may not respect the rules? What kind of a double standard is that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze666 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Rod the Sod said: Agree, but a quick look in my passport shows the IO writing Retirement within the stamp. To my point, don't market it as a retirement visa if they don't intend that you actually come and retire here. Call it a one-year visa and have done with it! Ok, but that's all by der by isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mattd said: No, they are limiting the numbers, this can be increased. I know of Thais stranded overseas and are desperate to come home. Nothing wrong with slowing the ingress of possible wuFlu carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod the Sod Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Mega said: they should learn to swim then cause the other issue is very limited flights. Check post #424 - it was sent with love for you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maprao Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I hope that I have enough time and earning potential to reassess and re-plan my retirement in Thailand. I feared and deep down always knew that investing (spending because it is not an investment) so much was a silly move. This confirms all my worst fears I had about Thailand. All the cliché comments are TRUE! I am lucky my family is with me while we work overseas. But even so some of the dumb comments that come out of my wife's mouth when we talk about the situation confirms all the my worst fears about Thailand The attitude to foreigners from the population and the government. I fear the worst for my future in a country I so wrongly chose to spend my retirement years in. For the record I'm in my third decade of marriage! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mommysboy Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said: There is an easy way to eliminate the hangers on and the ne'er do wells and allow a robust process of residence through marriage or parenthood. Make it a requirement to speak, read and write fluent Thai. Mandatory criminal record check for felons and warrants with home country and in Thailand. Proof of income. Without those, it would impossible to allow, due to the number of foreigners that would abuse the system. After all, who wouldn't learn Thai to remain with their wife or kids? Never going to happen though as the root cause is a fear and distrust of foreigners in particular Westerners. Hang on there! Let's have a row back. No it's just simply about married people wanting to live together, and more importantly parents wanting to be with their children. It's basic human rights. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 So sad for the Billy lids as they don't understand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, fredwiggy said: There are no jobs here besides what I've mentioned. If there are, tell me so I can get one, as Isaan is one of the most boring places on earth. I can't hunt here, the fishing's very poor due to rampant netting and we're too far from the beach for many trips. Plenty on the various job sites for foreigners. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mattd Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Mega said: Nothing wrong with slowing the ingress of possible wuFlu carriers. You contradict yourself, one part says Thais only and now they should be limited............... Quarantine for all arrivals, Thai or foreign, simple. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Ok guys here is the unvarnished truth 60 million Thai people suffered the cancellation of their major holiday in April A holiday where those apart from their families historically travel home to be with them for a week So are you few hundred guys outside Thailand prepared to make a similar sacrifice to continue to keep Thailand safe? The answer should be a resounding 'yes' right? Please quit the 'justification' and whining, be happy your family are safe, partly due to the thoughtful sacrifice of many Thai people who did not get to visit their families Thank you 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, HenryC said: It's the only way to is going to happen numpty. If you think the Thai government will spend a penny on an alien then you really are deluded. I'd argue there could be good business in it for hotels and hospitals. How will they police it - well you can't leave the hotel. If you are stupid enough to try then deportation awaits you i am sure. Why don't you just get back under your bridge. You got the wrong end of the stick there princess... my whole argument has been for those crying they cannot come home and get their end wet is why should the government foot the quarantine bill. If they want to foot the bill though thats a different matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Mega said: they should learn to swim then cause the other issue is very limited flights. That's not where the limit is now, though. The Thai govt is setting the limits on Their Own Citizens coming home. 5 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Nothing wrong with slowing the ingress of possible wuFlu carriers. You just asked if they were stopping Thais returning. Well, they are. Now you know. Round and round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mattd said: You contradict yourself, one part says Thais only and now they should be limited............... Quarantine for all arrivals, Thai or foreign, simple. all Thai arrivals are quarantined aren't they, or am I missing something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, JackThompson said: That's not where the limit is now, though. The Thai govt is setting the limits on Their Own Citizens coming home. You just asked if they were stopping Thais returning. Well, they are. Now you know. Round and round. i stand corrected. am sure the government would just love to deny entry to all but the worldwide backlash from preventing citizens coming home would lose a bit of face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JackThompson Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, 473geo said: Ok guys here is the unvarnished truth 60 million Thai people suffered the cancellation of their major holiday in April A holiday where those apart from their families historically travel home to be with them for a week So are you few hundred guys outside Thailand prepared to make a similar sacrifice to continue to keep Thailand safe? The answer should be a resounding 'yes' right? Please quit the 'justification' and whining, be happy your family are safe, partly due to the thoughtful sacrifice of many Thai people who did not get to visit their families Thank you It's not one or the other. The quantine is enough "sacrifice" to eliminate any threat. THAT is the unvarnished-truth. Songkran has nothing to do with it one way or the other. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattd Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Don Mega said: all Thai arrivals are quarantined aren't they, or am I missing something ? Yes and if there is space and no cost to the Government, why should this not include Foreigners returning to their family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeltAndRoad Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Mega said: the hole drilled in the ocean floor, is it still ocean or is it earth ? HAHA you tell me? But I would think that someone well versed in such topics would know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Mega said: Plenty on the various job sites for foreigners. Name one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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