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Drug touted by Trump to treat COVID-19 linked to higher death risk - study

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Perhaps there is a protocol where the malaria meds would be useful for Covid that isn't known yet. For example with a specific demographic of patients at a specific stage of the disease at a specific dosage combined with other specific medications or supplements. But so far absolutely nothing appears to be scientifically proven on this. It shouldn't matter either way that a few bombastic populist non-medical celebrities (45 and Bolsonaro) have irrationally and bizarrely touted these meds. But they should never have been given special first in line consideration (as has obviously already happened) for political reasons over other possibly much more promising medications. Finding effective therapies is important and can make a big difference. But we do not need fake snake oil or bleach drinks. We need the real thing.

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On 5/23/2020 at 5:54 AM, rooster59 said:

In the study https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620311806 that looked at more than 96,000 people hospitalized with COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus, those treated with hydroxychloroquine or the related chloroquine had higher risk of death and heart rhythm problems than patients who were not given the medicines.

Follow-up.

 

--The study has serious problems, a lack of transparency, and even questionable peer review.

-- All the data came from a single database, founded and owned by one of the paper's authors.

 

Scientists Question Validity of Major Hydroxychloroquine Study

 

More than 100 scientists and clinicians have questioned the authenticity of a massive hospital database that was the basis for an influential study published last week that concluded that treating people who have Covid-19 with chloroquine and HCQ did not help and might have increased the risk of abnormal heart rhythms and death.


Data from Africa indicate that nearly 25 percent of all Covid-19 cases and 40 percent of all deaths occurred in [database associated] hospitals which had sophisticated electronic patient data recording,” the scientists wrote. “Both the numbers of cases and deaths, and the detailed data collection, seem unlikely.

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9 minutes ago, rabas said:

Follow-up.

 

--The study has serious problems, a lack of transparency, and even questionable peer review.

-- All the data came from a single database, founded and owned by one of the paper's authors.

 

Scientists Question Validity of Major Hydroxychloroquine Study

 

More than 100 scientists and clinicians have questioned the authenticity of a massive hospital database that was the basis for an influential study published last week that concluded that treating people who have Covid-19 with chloroquine and HCQ did not help and might have increased the risk of abnormal heart rhythms and death.


Data from Africa indicate that nearly 25 percent of all Covid-19 cases and 40 percent of all deaths occurred in [database associated] hospitals which had sophisticated electronic patient data recording,” the scientists wrote. “Both the numbers of cases and deaths, and the detailed data collection, seem unlikely.

Shame you didn't quote your source.

 

Most scientists (apart from the scientist in chief, Professor Trump) now accept that Hydroxychloroquine has an overall negative effect on Covid-19 patients. France has banned its use for Covid-19 patients.

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22 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Shame you didn't quote your source.

Oh come on, Phil...

 

Click the really, really big blue letters with a line below.

 

(... MSM brain freeze)

 

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On 6/1/2020 at 7:59 AM, Phil McCaverty said:

Shame you didn't quote your source.

 

Most scientists (apart from the scientist in chief, Professor Trump) now accept that Hydroxychloroquine has an overall negative effect on Covid-19 patients. France has banned its use for Covid-19 patients.

Phil, the bogus study has just been officially withdrawn due to the bogus data used. 

 

This is what happens when you use a political view instead of reality and common sense. 

 

 

So, will you apologize for being grossly wrong? 

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3 hours ago, Phil McCaverty said:

"A major clinical trial showed the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine had no benefit for patients hospitalized with Covid-19, likely closing the door to the use of the highly publicized medicine in the sickest patients — a use for which it was widely prescribed as the pandemic hit the U.S."

 

So will you apologise (and Trump) for promoting a dangerous and completely useless drug?

 

Trump was not using the drug because he was one of the sickest patients. He was using it as a prophylactic in conjunction with a Zinc supplement because there was some scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine with Zinc might reduce his risk of infection.

 

There's a distinction to be made between a 'cure for the very sick', and a 'prevention of sickness'. I've seen no sound scientific studies that prove that Hydroxyquinoline with Zinc has no prophylactic effect against Covid-19 infection.

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A post using a trolling reference to POTUS has been removed, keep using that trolling reference and a warning will be coming soon. 

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5 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Phil, the bogus study has just been officially withdrawn due to the bogus data used. 

 

This is what happens when you use a political view instead of reality and common sense. 

 

 

So, will you apologize for being grossly wrong? 

And trump based his statement that its ok and cant hurt on what?

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12 minutes ago, rabas said:

Research on zinc and chloroquine's antiviral properties, even for SARS, goes back 17 years. Google "zinc sars" or "chlorquine antiviral".  100s of research papers.

 

2003 Effects of Chloroquine on Viral Infections

2009 Antiviral Activity of Chloroquine against Human Coronavirus

 

 

The study you quoted was to study morbidity survival in mice and in vitro. Apples and oranges.

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