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Drug touted by Trump to treat COVID-19 linked to higher death risk - study

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18 hours ago, tropo said:

Surprise, surprise... More crazy talk from Trump haters...

 

Do you think Trump woke up one day and decided hydroxychloroquine would help people with covid-19 infections.

 

ALL of his information comes from a distinguished team of experts in all fields of medicine. He hears from the best of the best and has them at his fingertips. No one knew how effective or not this drug would be. This is a new study, and you're using it to damn Trump in hindsight. He made it quite clear it is experimental and it should be only taken as presciption medicine from your doctor. Looking for any angle to disparage Trump, this is what people can inspect.

 

Why not go around disparaging each and every doctor that has prescribed this medicine. I'm sure there are thousands that you can insult.

 

 

Oh yeah, when you can post proof from multiple reliable sources, someone might listen 🤔

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6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

One, it doesn't affect my life as I wouldn't be so stupid as to listen to Trump and two, see my comment above.

And I've noticed you are a very active participant in the discussions (what with your highly biased avatar) and I have never heard you crirticise Trump, not even once, so you'll forgive me if I think you cannot see what to many is a VERY simple thought. He shouldn't be touting a drug that can have serious consequences to some when he happens to be POTUS. He can sell dodgy university degrees, questionable steaks, rubbish airline seats and unpalateable vodka when he's a businessman but he can't tout questionable drugs when he is POTUS. Jezus, how difficult is this to understand?    

It appears you listen to Trump quite attentively.

 

And yes, I'm highly biased. Are you not?

 

Oh and by the way, a global survey of doctors shows 25% support hydroxychlororoquine for the purposes Trump is taking it.

Sermo Reports: One-Quarter of Global Physicians Agree That Healthcare Workers Should Take Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent COVID-19 Infections; Use of Hydroxychloroquine in Prophylaxis and Even in Undiagnosed Suspected Patient Cases is Seen

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6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ahhhhhh the last bastion of the Trump fan when trying to defend the indefensable; spout the first amendment.

 

Well, you said Trump should just shut up. So clearly, that is a basis to remind you of the First Amendment. So tell me, specifically: what has Trump said about hydroxychloroquine that is indefensible?

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11 hours ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Its cost has quadrupled since Trump started touting it. The vaccine produced by Oxford University is made from the common cold virus. No RNA / DNA from aborted foetus, animals, formaldehyde, aluminium, polysorbate, msg, included. MSG? If it were in a vaccine, it would be completely harmless.

 

The only place that you would find that list of ingredients is in a McDonalds burger.

 

Oy vey!

Hola! Yenta.

 

Still about $0.05/tablet for generic here in Thailand. HCQ a bit more. Can you afford 1 tablet/week? The zinc will cost you more.

 

The vaccine

 

The vaccine is made from a weakened version of a common cold virus (adenovirus) from chimpanzees, modified to not grow in humans. This is not the common common cold virus (rhinovirus) but one that can cause bronchitis, pneumonia, diarrhea, and pink eye. [CDC]

 

Then they add the COVID-19  'spike' protein to the adenovirus.  “We hope to make the body recognize and develop an immune response to the spike protein that will help stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus” the university said.  There will be side effects. Trial volunteers are warned they may get sore arms, headaches, and fevers for a couple of days.

 

In summary, no one knows a lot about anything yet.  The exception is the MSM, who knows based on immaculate knowledge that Trump continues to kill millions. Red pill blue pill. Warning: blue pill can cause hallucinations.

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A personal attack post and the replies have been removed. 

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. IMO the BBC ceased to be an impartial news organisation years ago. It's about the same as CNN now, and I don't watch either.

Far as I'm concerned Al Jazira is the only tv news organisation that is any good ( although their anti Trump bias is remarkable ). That's IMO what happens when tv news is controlled by biased people, and the BBC is controlled by, IMO, very PC people.

You may believe that, but it has nothing to do with my post.

Unless you want to claim this BBC report is not factual and correct.

 

Edit: regarding your BBC 'complaint', with the Johnson supporters claiming they are to PC, with the labour supporters claiming they are too right wing, BBC must be doing something right. I'd say they favour the traditional conservatives btw.

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Nonsense, the MSM are warning against unqualified medical advice from someone in a position of authority.

Are you talking about Nancy Pelosi?

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There's no money in hydroxychloroquine, the patent ran out decades ago. 

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

You may believe that, but it has nothing to do with my post.

Unless you want to claim this BBC report is not factual and correct.

 

Edit: regarding your BBC 'complaint', with the Johnson supporters claiming they are to PC, with the labour supporters claiming they are too right wing, BBC must be doing something right. I'd say they favour the traditional conservatives btw.

Back to your BBC article. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52779309

 

1. "The president has repeatedly promoted the drug, against medical advice."

 

I am unaware (but don't follow closely) that Trump is telling people to go out and take chloroquine. They can't anyway, it's a prescription drug. As for medical views, I have shown a few times that the general medical view was quite positive at the time he made his first comment. The BBC also badly blurs the line between saying something has potential and saying it is recommended for patients. So, the BBC's 10 word statement is materially wrong on a few counts. It is an ungrounded overly simplified hit piece, It is not accurate news.

 

2. The BBC does not provide any reference to the study and does not even explain what kind of study it was so readers have no way to know. Luckily I had already read it. They BBC only cheery picks.

 

  • It was not a medical trial, it was an statical analysis based on a global database of hospital records. A  hodgepodge of different patients under different treatments and circumstances. The authors had no control over how treatments were done or evaluated.
  • The study is not wrong considering, but there are issues that should be reported, which are not. Chloroquine and other experimental drugs are often given to more severely ill patients, which can easily bias outcome.  Second, they did not include zinc. It has been known as fact for 10+ years that zinc is what attacks the virus. Chloroquine only helps zinc enter cells.
  • The study showed HydroxCQ was somewhat more dangerous than chloroquine. This makes no sense because HCQ is often used because is is safer. This indicates the study has very wider error margins.

So the BBC is using the negative results without explaining them.

 

Then the BBC says "Mr Trump said he was taking the drug despite public health officials warning that it could cause heart problems." Really?  He is surrounded by top medical experts and doctors. Does it cause heart problems as a prophylactic? Did the BBC consider any of that, or just ram negative points together? Did the BBC also tell you there are 218 medical trials involving chloroquine? No. Just negative stuff.

 

So the BBC has presented only a negative side based on poorly interpreted or ignored information,  along with a big picture of Mr. Trump and a basic lie under the picture. They are leading you.

 

The good news? BBC is 100X better than the likes of CNN.

 

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7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why do you think hydroxychloroquine is a "highly controversial drug"? Because leftists have been whining about it ever since Trump voiced support for it? No, that won't do.

Lol. Have you read the article linked in the OP? Has it been written by leftists, as well as the large number of trials which have been analysed? 😁

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On 5/23/2020 at 5:54 AM, rooster59 said:

Drug touted by Trump to treat COVID-19 linked to higher death risk - study

I guess given the study, Dr. Siegel should reconsider having his father take it. 

 

Dr. Marc K. Siegel is an American physician, Associate Professor of Medicine at the NYU Langone Medical Center



 

 

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