Popular Post Logosone Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 "Falling infection rates since lockdowns were lifted suggest that the virus 'likely has its own dynamics' which are 'unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures', a report published by the financial services giant said." "Author Marko Kolanovic, a trained physicist and a strategist for JP Morgan, said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' into imposing lockdowns which were 'inefficient or late' and had little effect." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635/Lockdowns-failed-alter-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html 6 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langsuan Man Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Really, I am going to take medical advice paid for by a banker ???? Sorry, but I am not President Trump 5 1 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) In the end, a lot of leaders heads will roll as voters make up their own minds, we hope. Edited May 23, 2020 by 4MyEgo 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moonlover Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said: Really, I am going to take medical advice paid for by a banker ???? Sorry, but I am not President Trump There is no advise in the article, medical or otherwise. It's a retrospective opinion. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pineapple01 Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Long as they make a profit they dont give a rats ass about anyone 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chessman Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 - even the author seems to feel that lockdowns were justified at the start. 'In the absence of conclusive data, these lockdowns were justified initially. Nonetheless, many of these efforts were inefficient or late.' 2 - studying what happens to the R0 number when a lockdown is lifted is not a good way to judge the effectiveness of a lockdown because people will have changed their behaviour patterns completely. The more interesting question is if governments could have changed those behaviour patterns initially in other ways without such strict measures. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said: Really, I am going to take medical advice paid for by a banker ???? Sorry, but I am not President Trump what? you don't visit a "trained physicist" for whatever ails ya? for anyone confused, have you never heard the famous quote "physicist, heal thyself"? Edited May 23, 2020 by ChouDoufu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post talahtnut Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, pineapple01 said: Long as they make a profit they dont give a rats ass about anyone Right on mate, watch the biggest transfer of wealth on the planet. Same as the man made 1930 great depression. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said: what? you don't visit a "trained physicist" for whatever ails ya? As far as I know, when one is sick, one visits a physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 248900_1469958220 Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 In essence it is a confirmation that the US administration moved too slowly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 248900_1469958220 Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Dr Fauci..... If we open too fast people are going to die.... If we leave it too long....people are going to die....... Who would like to also punch that Neil Ferguson? I would like to roll up that paper he printed off, probably at his mistresses place (while cucked hubby looked on longingly)....you know, the one where millions die......and shove it where the sun dont shine! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Moonlover said: There is no advise in the article, medical or otherwise. It's a retrospective opinion. Yes. It's bloody awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, nauseus said: 1 hour ago, Moonlover said: There is no advise in the article, medical or otherwise. It's a retrospective opinion. 28 minutes ago, nauseus said: Yes. It's bloody awful. Oh is it? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuyiinthesky Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, nauseus said: Yes. It's bloody awful. Any report which does not support Lockdowns seems to be "awful" for you? Why is that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted May 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 It is remarkable, isn't it, that all the lockdown fanatics would have you believe that lockdowns were so crucial in controlling the virus, and then it turns out that, well, actually, 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted'. So lockdowns not so crucial after all then. Despite all the earnest hysteria. 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, Logosone said: It is remarkable, isn't it, that all the lockdown fanatics would have you believe that lockdowns were so crucial in controlling the virus, and then it turns out that, well, actually, 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted'. So lockdowns not so crucial after all then. Despite all the earnest hysteria. It is remarkable, isn't it, you might actually believe the rubbish you post. Of course the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates after lockdowns were lifted - because of the preceding lockdowns. Duh! 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted May 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, nauseus said: It is remarkable, isn't it, you might actually believe the rubbish you post. Of course the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates after lockdowns were lifted - because of the preceding lockdowns. Duh! You obviously don't understand the concept, if the lockdowns are suddenly lifted and lockdowns were the sole cause of reducing cases then once they are lifted case numbers would have gone up. They didn't. All the evidence points to the fact that lockdowns were therefore not the cause of falling infection rates, obviously it was testing and isolating the infected. Look up the term "causation". Edited May 23, 2020 by Logosone 1 2 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yuyiinthesky Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, nauseus said: Of course the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates after lockdowns were lifted - because of the preceding lockdowns. Duh! And the countries without lockdowns, why did also they have decreased infection rates? According to your logic, they shouldn't - but also they have decreased infection rates. I don't understand why you are so strongly into lockdowns, fighting against every hint that they might be not needed. Do you just enjoy being locked up, or are there other reasons? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Moonlover said: Oh is it? ???? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chessman Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Logosone said: You obviously don't understand the concept, if the lockdowns are suddenly lifted and lockdowns were the sole cause of reducing cases then once they are lifted case numbers would have gone up. They didn't. Absolute nonsense. The spread is caused by human interaction, lockdowns are a way of changing patterns of interaction. They achieved that goal. The lockdowns lift but people are still cautious and so the patterns of interaction don’t change so much. The really interesting question is if these patterns could have been changed in other ways, without such drastic measures. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Logosone said: It is remarkable, isn't it, that all the lockdown fanatics would have you believe that lockdowns were so crucial in controlling the virus, and then it turns out that, well, actually, 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted'. So lockdowns not so crucial after all then. Despite all the earnest hysteria. Perhaps Australia and New Zealand haven't registered in your thought bubble. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1. Most prefer to err on the safe side 2. It is easy to be general after the battle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torturedsole Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Logosone said: said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' Reminds me of the climate change nonsense way back in 2019. Haven't heard a word about climate change for eleven weeks now which is nice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAINT THOMAS Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Trump: The Invisible Virus. CNN: Trump is trying to do GOD's work. Humans Indoors: Oceans clear, Smog Gone, Animals, Mammals, Birds Everywhere. I suggest Walking, Bicycling, Skate boarding in the Sun. Have kindness and compassion for all creation including Animals, Mammals & Birds. Pick up garbage in the oceans, beaches on land. Donate to Soi Dog Foundation and volunteer if living in Thailand or take one of the Dogs since they are having trouble with shipping overseas. Change to a plant based diet. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, nauseus said: It is remarkable, isn't it, you might actually believe the rubbish you post. Of course the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates after lockdowns were lifted - because of the preceding lockdowns. Duh! Actually, the data shows the virus was on the decline before lockdowns. But hey, never miss a chance to throw in a comment after the fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Logosone said: It is remarkable, isn't it, that all the lockdown fanatics would have you believe that lockdowns were so crucial in controlling the virus, and then it turns out that, well, actually, 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted'. So lockdowns not so crucial after all then. Despite all the earnest hysteria. Rubbish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said: Rubbish Please elaborate on your post as currently just saying "rubbish" only shows your post is rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, steelepulse said: Please elaborate on your post as currently just saying "rubbish" only shows your post is rubbish. Is that so? I was replying to the OP who said lock downs don't make any different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said: Is that so? I was replying to the OP who said lock downs don't make any different Actually your reply was to the below. Do you still stand behind your ill informed data? It is remarkable, isn't it, that all the lockdown fanatics would have you believe that lockdowns were so crucial in controlling the virus, and then it turns out that, well, actually, 'the vast majority of countries had decreased infection rates' after lockdowns were lifted'. So lockdowns not so crucial after all then. Despite all the earnest hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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