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JP Morgan study shows lockdowns did not alter course of pandemic

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24 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A response to my enquiry seems to be missing.

I wouldn't call 102 deaths as against nearly 100,000 in the USA achieving nothing.

And yet a Nobel prize winning scientist says Australia is a standout loser of the pandemic.

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17 minutes ago, chessman said:

I watched a long video with him, his ideas are very interesting but it must also be said, his Nobel prize and his expertise are in a completely different field.
 

He was also a big supporter of mask-wearing and felt that they had helped Asian countries immeasurably. How do you feel about that, Logosone?

Well, he can't always be right, he's not German.

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17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I seem to remember Yasser Arafat was a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

And rightly so, he was ready to make peace. Despite his land having been stolen from outsiders

 

3 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Government response is an insignificant factor on the path of the pandemic, but a huge factor on the economic economic impact.

 

This.

 

Governments have never ended pandemics.

 

People who believe governments can end pandemics are dangerous and misguided.

 

They can ruin economies though.

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15 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

.... and New Zealand has not even started the COVID marathon yet. 

 

When they eventually allow international travel, they join the frey.

 

- Unless they are planning on keeping their borders closed for the next 2 years.  

 

All lockdowns are an unscientific panic reaction with no logical end game, hence the staged lifting when economic pressures force a change of tactics.

 

If no vaccine and no 60% immune population - what scientific reason is there to lift a lockdown?

 

The fundamental issue is that few people have the experience and knowledge to understand the data, so politicians, reporters, most social media posters and many 'experts' have reacted emotionally and not logically.  It's the Dunning-Kruger effect on a global scale.

 

And none of the lockdown theories can explain how in Thailand, after the scenes of packed skytrains and malls a week ago, we don't have a spike in cases.  And for people thinking it's solely due to under-reporting - why are Thai hospitals half empty?

 

New Zealand are planning on select travel bubbles only in the future with countries who have also controlled the virus, so yes this could well be longterm for them.

 

What do you suggest the world does to end the pandemic?

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20 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

 

And none of the lockdown theories can explain how in Thailand, after the scenes of packed skytrains and malls a week ago, we don't have a spike in cases.  And for people thinking it's solely due to under-reporting - why are Thai hospitals half empty?

 

A very good question. Personally, I think there are environmental and biological factors operating in Thailand which are inhibiting the spread of the virus.

One could equally well ask why COVID-19 affected half the Iranian Parliament, and even put the Prime Minister of the UK out of action, whereas apparently not a single member of the Chinese political and military leadership has contracted coronavirus.

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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

New Zealand are planning on select travel bubbles only in the future with countries who have also controlled the virus, so yes this could well be longterm for them.

 

What do you suggest the world does to end the pandemic?

So for the next 2 years New Zealanders have a choice of China, Thailand or stay home.

 

And it will end the same way the annual flu epidemics end, SARS ended, neighbourhood chicken pox outbreaks end - when enough people are either naturally immune or changed their personal behaviours to avoid catching it.

 

Lockdowns, curfews, travel bans are just economic self abuse.

 

I understand that people for fell for the media fear campaign find it difficult to accept - so keep recycling the 'spin' - but every day more and more people are realising that the global response to COVID-19 was a huge error of judgement.

 

I was saying this in January, and getting abused on-line for saying it - at least now I have a few friends. 😁

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11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

New Zealand are planning on select travel bubbles only in the future with countries who have also controlled the virus, so yes this could well be longterm for them.

 

What do you suggest the world does to end the pandemic?

First develop effective medications, then a vaccine.

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19 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

I always take my heath advice from a bank that needed a 12 Billion bailout in the 2008 financial crisis.

  JPMorgan Chase is ranked by S&P Global as the largest bank in the United States and the sixth largest bank in the world by total assets with total assets of US$2.687 trillion.

 

It actually paid the government 13 billion USD as fines for practices in mortgage backed securities.

 

JP Morgan did not receive a 12 billion bailout in the financial crisis, rather it helped to bail out Bear Sterns and received aid from the US government to do so. Big difference.

 

Not only did JP Morgan help to bail out Bear Sterns, it was then later fined by the US government for actions taken by Bear Sterns, not JP Morgan. No good deed goes unpunished.

 

Anyway, the point is that JP Morgan has very rich clients. It advises these rich clients in becoming even richer. The advice JP Morgan has given is that lockdowns don't work.

 

You're welcome.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A very good question. Personally, I think there are environmental and biological factors operating in Thailand which are inhibiting the spread of the virus.

One could equally well ask why COVID-19 affected half the Iranian Parliament, and even put the Prime Minister of the UK out of action, whereas apparently not a single member of the Chinese political and military leadership has contracted coronavirus.

Yes, possibly climate and culture, but there are other countries that have sunshine and don't shake hands.  Mask use make also be a factor.

 

But much more likely in my view is that during November to January Thailand was the number 1 destination for overseas travel from Wuhan.

 

At this time masks were not used, no special measures in place - so Thailand probably achieved herd immunity around the same time as China.  And COVID-19 did not become the fashionable way to die until March. 

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1 hour ago, Logosone said:

No, it's not a problem, because that is exactly what the report said. Those words are direct quotations from report. How is this a problem? Median was not included by the authors in that sentence.

 

Oooooooh yes it was.

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6 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Yes, possibly climate and culture, but there are other countries that have sunshine and don't shake hands.  Mask use make also be a factor.

 

But much more likely in my view is that during November to January Thailand was the number 1 destination for overseas travel from Wuhan.

 

At this time masks were not used, no special measures in place - so Thailand probably achieved herd immunity around the same time as China.  And COVID-19 did not become the fashionable way to die until March. 

Or it could be that because Thailand does not test for Covid 19 when people die it is not possible to know if they died of Covid19.

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1 minute ago, Kinnock said:

Yes, possibly climate and culture, but there are other countries that have sunshine and don't shake hands.  Mask use make also be a factor.

 

But much more likely in my view is that during November to January Thailand was the number 1 destination for overseas travel from Wuhan.

 

At this time masks were not used, no special measures in place - so Thailand probably achieved herd immunity around the same time as China.  And COVID-19 did not become the fashionable way to die until March. 

That's one hypothesis. However, as we both know, Thailand is at the lower end of the scale in terms of antibody testing.

Thailand is one of the few Asian countries that has had mass BCG vaccination. The correlation between BCG immunization, and reduced or nil  coronavirus symptoms, is currently the subject of a clinical trial with frontline health workers in Australia.

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1 minute ago, Logosone said:

Or it could be that because Thailand does not test for Covid 19 when people die it is not possible to know if they died of Covid1

But then there would be other signs - over-flowing hospitals, social media posts.

 

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