Jump to content
BANGKOK
Logosone

JP Morgan study shows lockdowns did not alter course of pandemic

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

So for the next 2 years New Zealanders have a choice of China, Thailand or stay home.

 

And it will end the same way the annual flu epidemics end, SARS ended, neighbourhood chicken pox outbreaks end - when enough people are either naturally immune or changed their personal behaviours to avoid catching it.

 

Lockdowns, curfews, travel bans are just economic self abuse.

 

I understand that people for fell for the media fear campaign find it difficult to accept - so keep recycling the 'spin' - but every day more and more people are realising that the global response to COVID-19 was a huge error of judgement.

 

I was saying this in January, and getting abused on-line for saying it - at least now I have a few friends. 😁

Actually New Zealand plans Australia as its first partner.

 

Sars mysteriously disappeared, will covid do the same, who knows, its a gamble to say it would, should we just hope that would be the case? In then meantime just change our personal behaviours in the assumption it will go away? Maybe, but who is going to drive that worldwide as a model of best practice based on just maybe because Sars did?

 

To reach natural immunity or herd immunity worldwide you already know this would virtually be impossible unless we deliberately infect countries that have had minimal outbreaks or have been successful in other methods of controlling the virus but then that also does not fit in with your assumption that it will just go away either.

 

Agreed, lockdowns, travel bans are economic ruin when done in panic mode and for such lengthy periods but the alternatives are what, the above maybe ^^ again?

 

Agreed again the global response was a huge error in judgement in many ways by many countries apart from a select few.

 

I'm with you on many points and thoughts but where does that leave us? A vaccine is the best hope for this as soon as possible in my opinion, it may not be 100% but any degree of protection will do and should provide the herd immunity needed.

 

When this is over then firmer more coordinated responses need to be activated based on best practice experience for future pandemics.

Edited by Bkk Brian
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

That's one hypothesis. However, as we both know, Thailand is at the lower end of the scale in terms of antibody testing.

Thailand is one of the few Asian countries that has had mass BCG vaccination. The correlation between BCG immunization, and reduced or nil  coronavirus symptoms, is currently the subject of a clinical trial with frontline health workers in Australia.

Yes - although UK had a vaccination campaign too.

 

But UK does have a large vulnerable population of elderly, sick people just waiting for the next cause of pneumonia to send them on their way.

 

Much of the Western World does have a high percentage of unhealthy people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

But then there would be other signs - over-flowing hospitals, social media posts.

 

My GF's village has a normal death rate among the elderly - people in their 80's and 90's.

One day I will see a Thai without a smartphone, it will be like a sighting of a unicorn. Thai social connection being what it is, a coronavirus outbreak here would send Facebook into meltdown.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Yes - although UK had a vaccination campaign too.

 

But UK does have a large vulnerable population of elderly, sick people just waiting for the next cause of pneumonia to send them on their way.

 

Much of the Western World does have a high percentage of unhealthy people.

We can see that.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

But then there would be other signs - over-flowing hospitals, social media posts.

 

Not really, countries can have Covid19 pandemics without overflowing hospitals. This was the case in Germany.

 

In Thailand, the disease could be taken to be pneumonia or something else.

 

People can't comment on what they don't know about.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, chessman said:

SARS disappearance wasn’t that mysterious. It was due to public health initiatives. As more was discovered about it, scientists learned that it only really became infectious when the symptoms became stronger. When that was known it became possible to isolate possible carriers and stop It completely.
 

it’s a success story for public health bodies, government cooperation and rational scientific thinking. The same things we need to be putting our faith in now.

 

Who knows what damage SARS could have done 100 years ago.

 

 

Yes I've just quickly read an article on that and Sars also had very severe symptoms that everybody got and so contact tracing and quarantine was very effective in stopping the spread.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Italy happened, which is still a bit of a mystery in my opinion. Whatever happened in Italy made this damn <deleted> show into the abomination it is today. What that abomination was is all the countries looked at Italy and China, they listened to Neils "the man who <deleted> the world" Ferguson and that was that.

 

There's a wingnut conspiracy theory circulating that Italy implemented a different flu vaccine this year and that's what contributed to their high Covid death rate.  I don't even claim to know if they actually did implement a different vaccine, much less agree or disagree with that theory.  I heard it in an interview with Judy Mikovits, so that would be a good place to start if you wanted to climb down your own rabbit hole.

 

Edited by impulse
  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

There's a wingnut conspiracy theory circulating that Italy implemented a different flu vaccine this year and that's what contributed to their high Covid death rate.  I don't even claim to know if they actually did implement a different vaccine, much less agree or disagree with that theory.  I heard it in an interview with Judy Mikovits, so that would be a good place to start if you wanted to climb down your own rabbit hole.

 

No mystery about Italy - high proportion of old, obese people means any epidemic will take it's toll.  Happens in Italy every time there's a bad flu epidemic too .  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...