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18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, so? They are also spending a lot more on infrastructure, which is what the poster you replied to said.

Yes, Infrastructure was part of his sentence. But I was commenting on the military component of his post. Trump is a builder and has repeatedly talked about an infrastructure bill. The Democrats have also talked favorably about it. The latter control the money and aren't going the pass a big infrastructure bill as long as they hold the House and Trump sits in the Oval Office.

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2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

You must have a pretty low opinion of socialism to call China socialist. You mean like Sweden or Norway? It has s very poor social safety net system, a judiciary which is entirely under the thumb of the Party, massive Internet and press censorship. And under Xi state enterprises are growing again at the expense of private enterprise which are being asked to invest or lend (i.e. donate) to state enterprises. Lots of ecomonists believe China is headed for a middle income trap. And while it's GDP may soon be larger than the US, keep in mind that its population is about 4 times that of the USA

Don't fall for the obvious gas lighting.

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23 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Excellent point to bring up. GDP per capita in the US is triple that of China.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

 

But as you know, communism is a GDP killer. If only everyone else realized this.

Good point but also note there are two concepts used for GDP.

 

1. Nominal GDP, the more important of the two based on exchange rates. In a sense, this is the power of a country in the world.

2. PPP GDP is a purchasing  power parity GDP, a bit like how many toasters can each country produce for their own citizens. 

 

The US is still a fair way ahead of China in terms of the important nominal GDP. I have read, but don't know if I believe, that China may never catch up to the US in terms of real nominal GDP. (per country, not per capita) Obviously the US is way beyond China per capita.  Those cheering China often quote PPP GDP, understandably. In truth, each GDP has some advantages.

 

China vs US nominal GPD (not per capita):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

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5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Excellent point to bring up. GDP per capita in the US is triple that of China.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

 

But as you know, communism is a GDP killer. If only everyone else realized this.

Well, if Communism is a GDP killer, then I guess China ain't communist. It's one thing to point out the flaws in China's economy, quite another to claim it's dying.

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7 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Your claim about China's social safety net is flatly untrue:

“ 'When a person has no medical insurance, unemployment insurance or endowment insurance, how can that person dare spend all their money?’ said Tang Jun, a sociology researcher with the China Academy of Social Sciences. ‘The Chinese people are a nationality that likes saving money…. Ordinary people will only feel relieved about consuming if they don’t have to worry about not having money when they get old and not having money to go to the hospital.’ ”

https://carnegieendowment.org/2013/03/07/does-china-need-social-safety-net-pub-51151

 

"According to research by the Rhodium Group, a consultancy firm, as of June 2018, the average return on assets among SOEs was 3.9 percent, compared with 9.9 percent for private firms. They accounted for 28 percent of China’s industrial assets but contributed to only 18 percent of the total profit. Further, they racked up RMB 100 trillion (US$15 trillion) in debt by the end of 2017, equivalent to 120 percent of the national GDP."

"Today, the government’s agenda for SOE reforms combines SOE corporate governance with the institutionalization of Party leadership within SOEs."

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-soe-reform-process/

Welcome.

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8 hours ago, rabas said:

They all do, not just the US. I had the chance to work with 2 telecom companies in my time, one was fixed wireless we sold thoughout Asia, first was ATT long ago. From what I saw the less democratic the country, the more demands they made on deals to better spy on their own citizens. Great stories to tell.

 

You had better believe that Huawei, funded and controlled by the CCP and used in China, is some of the best designed equipment for spying in the world. 

 

Well, in China, they don't really 'spy' as it's quite official and everybody knows about it. Any data that goes through networks is checked and monitored, and all CCTVs are connected to the network and also linked to face recognition systems.

Having said that, the US have good reasons to suspect that backdoors may be used as they did the same in China with Cisco routers.

Actually the risk is not so much about backdoors, as there are ways to check it. The risk is more that there may be a few hidden lines of code allowing to shut the network down.

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5 hours ago, rabas said:

Good point but also note there are two concepts used for GDP.

 

1. Nominal GDP, the more important of the two based on exchange rates. In a sense, this is the power of a country in the world.

2. PPP GDP is a purchasing  power parity GDP, a bit like how many toasters can each country produce for their own citizens. 

 

The US is still a fair way ahead of China in terms of the important nominal GDP. I have read, but don't know if I believe, that China may never catch up to the US in terms of real nominal GDP. (per country, not per capita) Obviously the US is way beyond China per capita.  Those cheering China often quote PPP GDP, understandably. In truth, each GDP has some advantages.

 

China vs US nominal GPD (not per capita):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

You are right but average GDP doesn't make sense for China, as there are very big differences between regions. One part of China is still a developing country, but the other part is starting to be quite developed. And this part is already larger than any developed country.

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47 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Well, if Communism is a GDP killer, then I guess China ain't communist. It's one thing to point out the flaws in China's economy, quite another to claim it's dying.

I never claimed China is dying, nor do I believe that. Free countries have higher GDP over communist countries, no matter what angle you look at it from.

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17 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, in China, they don't really 'spy' as it's quite official and everybody knows about it. Any data that goes through networks is checked and monitored, and all CCTVs are connected to the network and also linked to face recognition systems.

Having said that, the US have good reasons to suspect that backdoors may be used as they did the same in China with Cisco routers.

Actually the risk is not so much about backdoors, as there are ways to check it. The risk is more that there may be a few hidden lines of code allowing to shut the network down.

I'm not a programming geek (using "geek" in an endearing way), maybe you can help me understand. Are some methods to disrupt easier to spot and remedy than others?

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10 hours ago, Susco said:

Do you mind I roll over the floor laughing, especially about the last line

Not at all. Have fun.

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