Do you believe in equal rights for women?

[fredwiggy]

57 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Equal rights are a good idea.

One challenge is that men and women are different. They often think different and act different. And I think there is no point trying to make them more equal.

 

I.e. there are a lot more male pilots than female. Should there be a quota for more female pilots? Or more support for them? Or should we just accept that in average men prefer that kind of job and thinking.

Or nurses and kindergarten teachers. Should we train more men so that they can do something they don't really want?

There are female pilots and male nurses. It's up to each individual.

 

What I definitely don't support are those crazy feminists who want support for females for about everything. And I don't think we should believe everything from women because it seems those feminists think women never lie. Really?

 

If women want to be equal then they should expect to be treated equally in every aspect. I.e. lets look at sport. Sport for men, sport for women, just mix them all. And let's see who wins. And let's see how women who pretend they want that everybody is equal like that.

Simple. The best qualified for the position gets it. Men are physically stronger then women an average, so they can't compete, and usually wouldn't want to as far as most sports. Again, if they qualify, they play.

[1FinickyOne]

In my household, equal rights would be a step down... but ok by me. 

[Captain Monday]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Equal rights are a good idea.

One challenge is that men and women are different. They often think different and act different. And I think there is no point trying to make them more equal.

 

I.e. there are a lot more male pilots than female. Should there be a quota for more female pilots? Or more support for them? Or should we just accept that in average men prefer that kind of job and thinking.

Or nurses and kindergarten teachers. Should we train more men so that they can do something they don't really want?

There are female pilots and male nurses. It's up to each individual.

 

What I definitely don't support are those crazy feminists who want support for females for about everything. And I don't think we should believe everything from women because it seems those feminists think women never lie. Really?

 

If women want to be equal then they should expect to be treated equally in every aspect. I.e. lets look at sport. Sport for men, sport for women, just mix them all. And let's see who wins. And let's see how women who pretend they want that everybody is equal like that.

US lags behind even India with women in the cockpit.

First of all you have to show interest, and be motivated.

Pay on union contracts is the same.

I have not flown with many female pilots who were not outstanding by the way. 

Still if a female pilot is hard to work with, in ways that might be accepted from a man the guys all talk about her behind her back.

If she ever has an operational issue she'l never live it down. That is just sexism.

 

And women are expected to take care of household work and child care more than men 

One years ago I was concerned about flat out told me she was quitting as soon as she got pregnant. She had lost interest. Hard to raise small kids in this industry. Airlines want more female pilots (until covid), and it is also an extremely, well if you go into a crew room it looks like the old white mens club.

More mentoring networking is the key here. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/25/2020 at 1:51 AM, n00dle said:

But they are not men. 

 

Equal, but not same.

Different. Being equal is not something that applies. Being equal is being the same and clearly men and women are not the same.

Women want equality in workplace, but still to be treated like women. Why should they be treated differently? If they earn the same for same job then should expect to be treated same.

 

In an ideal world people would be evaluated on what sort of person they are, not what is between their legs.

[bert bloggs]

So if there is equality i take it if a woman takes time off for childbirth etc ,i can have it as well?

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

So if there is equality i take it if a woman takes time off for childbirth etc ,i can have it as well?

If you can have a child, yes

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

If you can have a child, yes

Brought one up without a wife ,long time ago .never got a penny from her , even then they used to send social workers around ,as i was not a woman.(how can a man bring up a child) we were and still are 2nd class citizens.

[Peter Denis]

16 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

So if there is equality i take it if a woman takes time off for childbirth etc ,i can have it as well?

The Swedish government says that parents of both sexes are entitled to 480 days (16 months) of paid parental leave at about 80% of their salary (with a cap), plus bonus days for twins, and they must share — Swedish dads must take at least some of those 16 months. The days don't expire until the child is 8 years old.

Norway gives fathers 15 weeks paid leave if their child was born on or after 1 July 2018. Overall, new parents have the option of taking 49 weeks of leave at 100 per cent pay, or 59 weeks at 80 per cent.

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, bert bloggs said:

Brought one up without a wife ,long time ago .never got a penny from her , even then they used to send social workers around ,as i was not a woman.(how can a man bring up a child) we were and still are 2nd class citizens.

Raised 3 mostly by myself, another the same but more.

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

Brought one up without a wife ,long time ago .never got a penny from her , even then they used to send social workers around ,as i was not a woman.(how can a man bring up a child) we were and still are 2nd class citizens.

I can relate to that.

Being a single parent of 4 children, I could tell you some stories of how I was victimised and discriminated against by the female gender, from Social Security to childminders.

40 years ago, the laws were still very much against the men as single parents.

Thankfully that has now changed.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/26/2020 at 3:44 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

In case there is anybody out there who didn't read this yet. It's a great book which explains a lot.

 

I read that but it just reinforces that men will never understand women, and visa versa.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/26/2020 at 4:37 PM, fredwiggy said:

Simple. The best qualified for the position gets it. Men are physically stronger then women an average, so they can't compete, and usually wouldn't want to as far as most sports. Again, if they qualify, they play.

Given that most teachers in western countries are female one might think it's because women are better teachers than men. That's not true. Men often don't become teachers any more because of the possibility of being accused of being a pedo. Many children never see a male role model in school any more.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I read that but it just reinforces that men will never understand women, and visa versa.

After reading that and 35 other books on the subject, and watching shows on TV, I understand women very well, but still not as well as I'd like.

[OneMoreFarang]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

On 5/26/2020 at 10:44 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

In case there is anybody out there who didn't read this yet. It's a great book which explains a lot.

 

I read that but it just reinforces that men will never understand women, and visa versa.

Maybe read it again.

It has many samples and interesting information how men and women act and talk differently.

 

I.e. woman talk: The ceiling is not white anymore.

Translation for men: You should paint that ceiling!

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe read it again.

It has many samples and interesting information how men and women act and talk differently.

 

I.e. woman talk: The ceiling is not white anymore.

Translation for men: You should paint that ceiling!

Of course it does, and some of them were very interesting. However his theory about storing up plusses from doing special things ( it's a long time since I read it and my memory isn't the best ) doesn't work. No woman I ever knew well would consider what I had done for her if she thought I had transgressed. My wife certainly didn't care about all the good things I had done for her when she decided to treat me badly.

I worked ( a very long time ago ) with a woman and became very close to her. Didn't stop her cutting me dead when I gave her a truthful answer concerning a problem she had with other people.

Another woman disowned me when I told her I liked her.

Then there was the GF that asked me to fix her car. Having fixed it for her ( free ) she stopped being my GF.

I unfortunately have many stories of women that used me when I thought we were friends. No wonder that I don't trust any of them now.

[Peter Denis]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

...

I unfortunately have many stories of women that used me when I thought we were friends. No wonder that I don't trust any of them now.

You are probably attracted to those women that will take advantage of you.  Cultivating a more trusting attitude will also help you getting to know other women that respect you.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Peter Denis

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it does, and some of them were very interesting. However his theory about storing up plusses from doing special things ( it's a long time since I read it and my memory isn't the best ) doesn't work. No woman I ever knew well would consider what I had done for her if she thought I had transgressed. My wife certainly didn't care about all the good things I had done for her when she decided to treat me badly.

I worked ( a very long time ago ) with a woman and became very close to her. Didn't stop her cutting me dead when I gave her a truthful answer concerning a problem she had with other people.

Another woman disowned me when I told her I liked her.

Then there was the GF that asked me to fix her car. Having fixed it for her ( free ) she stopped being my GF.

I unfortunately have many stories of women that used me when I thought we were friends. No wonder that I don't trust any of them now.

You have to weed out the trash so you can get to the treasure.

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it does, and some of them were very interesting. However his theory about storing up plusses from doing special things ( it's a long time since I read it and my memory isn't the best ) doesn't work. No woman I ever knew well would consider what I had done for her if she thought I had transgressed. My wife certainly didn't care about all the good things I had done for her when she decided to treat me badly.

I worked ( a very long time ago ) with a woman and became very close to her. Didn't stop her cutting me dead when I gave her a truthful answer concerning a problem she had with other people.

Another woman disowned me when I told her I liked her.

Then there was the GF that asked me to fix her car. Having fixed it for her ( free ) she stopped being my GF.

I unfortunately have many stories of women that used me when I thought we were friends. No wonder that I don't trust any of them now.

It seems you mix up a couple of things.

- understanding women

- being nice to women

- expecting something in return for whatever you do (not only with women)

 

The above book definitely helps men to understand women and women to understand men. Because often they talk in different ways. I think it's good to be able to understand them better. But that does not mean to act according to what they want.

It seems many women don't appreciate if guys are nice to them. We can be nice all day, repair their car, and likely she will say thank you. But that's about it. Then she will jump in the car and see that guy who treats her like s%$t. And maybe later she will even tell us that that guy treated her like <deleted> and we are so much nicer. And that's it.

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you mix up a couple of things.

- understanding women

- being nice to women

- expecting something in return for whatever you do (not only with women)

 

The above book definitely helps men to understand women and women to understand men. Because often they talk in different ways. I think it's good to be able to understand them better. But that does not mean to act according to what they want.

It seems many women don't appreciate if guys are nice to them. We can be nice all day, repair their car, and likely she will say thank you. But that's about it. Then she will jump in the car and see that guy who treats her like s%$t. And maybe later she will even tell us that that guy treated her like <deleted> and we are so much nicer. And that's it.

When you give, you shouldn't expect it returned in kind. When someone returns in kind, they're the right one, either as a friend or a wife.

[Salerno]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I unfortunately have many stories of women that used me when I thought we were friends. No wonder that I don't trust any of them now.

There's one constant I see in your tales of woe 

[smutcakes]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Different. Being equal is not something that applies. Being equal is being the same and clearly men and women are not the same.

Women want equality in workplace, but still to be treated like women. Why should they be treated differently? If they earn the same for same job then should expect to be treated same.

 

In an ideal world people would be evaluated on what sort of person they are, not what is between their legs.

Where do you work where women are treated differently in the work place? Every company i have worked for has employed men and women and there has been no difference in treatment across 3 continents.

[smutcakes]

1 hour ago, Salerno said:

There's one constant I see in your tales of woe 

I was just thinking the same thing..... It couldn't be that actually the ladies have not been the real problem... surely not....

[4MyEgo]

On 5/25/2020 at 12:22 AM, BritManToo said:

I voted yes, because at the moment they have far more rights than men, and I'd like a bit more equality for me.

Let me just mention the rights they have they I would like.

They have the right to accuse any man and have him arrested/questioned/detained.

They have the right to live in any mans house they have been sleeping with, and take it off him.

They have the right to 100% custody of any children you have with them, and can stop the guy seeing his own children.

 

I'd like some equality in those instances.

They only have far more rights if you allow them too.

 

As for assets, well, there are ways of protecting oneself so that the woman doesn't get any of his assets.

100% custody of any children and they can stop you from seeing them, well don't know about your situation, but I ask for and received shared care 50/50 with my daughter from our my previous marriage, also a 50/50 split on the house. The ex never tried to stop me from seeing our daughter, although she did try to stop me from taking her to Thailand on a holiday after I gave her all of my itinerary and 60 days notice in writing served by registered post, one letter from my family law specialist and she signed for her to go overseas, the letter did say 7 days or court proceedings would commence and we would be claiming all costs....lol

 

When I was here with our daughter for 4 weeks, she didn't call her mum once, I did tell her a couple of times that she should call her mum, her mum called me and my wife a few times, we just let the mobiles ring out, no doubt she would have been having trouble sleeping during those 4 weeks, no skin off of my nose.

 

I am all for equal rights, as long as the woman listens to what I am telling her.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

You are probably attracted to those women that will take advantage of you.  Cultivating a more trusting attitude will also help you getting to know other women that respect you.

In my job of decades in a female dominated occupation I worked with probably thousands of women of several races- they couldn't all be wanting to take advantage of me. Although I became friendly with some, I only met one I'd have married and she was already taken. I think women are just to different for me to ever trust one again enough to want to live with one. Twice in a lifetime was one too many.

[pineapple01]

You make your own rights in this World Man or Woman.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, smutcakes said:

Where do you work where women are treated differently in the work place? Every company i have worked for has employed men and women and there has been no difference in treatment across 3 continents.

Where DID I work. I'm happily retired.

Till I went nursing I worked in mainly male occupations, but the few females I encountered were treated differently, perhaps because they were rare. Perhaps things have changed, but nurses get paid less because they are females and are less likely to go on strike. No worker ever got good pay without being prepared to withdraw their labour, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you mix up a couple of things.

- understanding women

- being nice to women

- expecting something in return for whatever you do (not only with women)

 

The above book definitely helps men to understand women and women to understand men. Because often they talk in different ways. I think it's good to be able to understand them better. But that does not mean to act according to what they want.

It seems many women don't appreciate if guys are nice to them. We can be nice all day, repair their car, and likely she will say thank you. But that's about it. Then she will jump in the car and see that guy who treats her like s%$t. And maybe later she will even tell us that that guy treated her like <deleted> and we are so much nicer. And that's it.

Mainly those women were just friends and I wasn't expecting anything from them. I certainly wasn't expecting sex in return if that's what you are thinking. I also did lots of things for male friends and definitely didn't expect sex from them. I just like to help people.

I was very nice to them ( women )- a perfect gentleman.

 

I think I already said that men can't understand women, IMO and visa versa. Books don't help, and it's been many years since that book came out but nothing has changed.

[Tagged]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In my job of decades in a female dominated occupation I worked with probably thousands of women of several races- they couldn't all be wanting to take advantage of me. Although I became friendly with some, I only met one I'd have married and she was already taken. I think women are just to different for me to ever trust one again enough to want to live with one. Twice in a lifetime was one too many.

Only twice and give up? Two bad experiences is not even enough to learn something and improve, and i do not reckon a fling here, and a fling there as a relationship. 

 

What did you learn so bad, that you do not want any woman again in your life? 

 

Always start with your self, and end with your self when trying to figure out why you meet problems in life. If you continue to do the same mistakes over and over, then you need to look at your problems from outside, and adjust. 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Tagged said:

Only twice and give up? Two bad experiences is not even enough to learn something and improve, and i do not reckon a fling here, and a fling there as a relationship. 

 

What did you learn so bad, that you do not want any woman again in your life? 

 

Always start with your self, and end with your self when trying to figure out why you meet problems in life. If you continue to do the same mistakes over and over, then you need to look at your problems from outside, and adjust. 

What did I learn? I learned that I always make mistakes with women, so no, I'm not going to make another mistake.

Either all women are the same or I just never met a keeper. I did meet three western women I'd have married. All were already married. One got divorced but had kids so she wasn't a contender*, one became a widow, but got married again before I knew she was single, the third is still married.

Never met any other western woman I even considered.

The mistake I made with my Thai wife was thinking she was "different" from a western woman- all the same under the skin, IMO.

If you continue to do the same mistakes over and over, then you need to look at your problems from outside, and adjust. 

I thought I'd pretty much explained that I have adjusted by not wanting to ever again be involved romantically with any female.

However that would not rule out temporary girlfriends, as long as they didn't move in and left when things came to the inevitable end.

I should have learned from my father. After he divorced my mother he never got married again.

 

* I lived for a while with a western woman with 2 kids by her ex. That was enough to put me off kids, PERIOD.

[thaibeachlovers]

PS Given that this thread is about women it's a pity we haven't had input from some. I'm sure they have a very different outlook on the subject ????