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5 hours ago, Thailand said:

There will not be many coming this year.Home tourism being promoted by China. Thais also need to look inward for tourism.

People do not want to get on aeroplanes to go on holiday and it will stay that way for some time.

Agreed time will sort overseas visitors you wont temp them with offers when there is no transport, look at your own people make holidays affordable to locals whilst you wait for the world to open, and be in far more  control of a second or third spike risk.

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52 minutes ago, newnative said:

  Wondered when the ridiculous zero dollar tourism canard would appear--as it always does with a tourism thread.   Guess you missed the part about 1 in 10 Thais being employed by tourism.  If zero dollars stay in Thailand, how are these 1 in 10 Thais being paid?

What do you not understand about money changing from one pocket to another.....LOL I would agree that a large percentage of Thai's are making a living in one way or another from the tourist industry - however not all are to the same degree, and which part of society makes up the largest part of this, the social side which in turn is by the Farang not the Chinese who only look...!!!

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I think people here mainly ex-pats must realise China and India are the rising stars for tourism here for  the future of  Thailand 

The days of the large numbers of western tourists in the 80s through to early 2000 has now passed

Hence Thailand looking forward to the Chinese for investment and Tourism 

Time will tell

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Here's an interesting anecdote that should serve as a warning:

 

Many years ago, Henry Kissinger visited China and met with the then-Commerce Minister and senior Politburo member Bo Xilai (now in jail for 'corruption'). Bo had a map on his office wall that ostensibly depicted all of China. The map included not only Taiwan, but also all of Myanmar. Kissinger joked that there likely was some cartographer busy at work making an "ancient" map, soon to be discovered, that had Myanmar as an historical part, or 'renegade province' of the Middle Kingdom. Certainly the map indicated the Communist Party's territorial ambitions. Until SPDC gave up power to the NLD and ASSK, Myanmar was firmly on the road to becoming a Vassal State of China, with dammed rivers sending 100% of the power generated to China, a port in Yakhine State, ownership of most of Mandalay, control of all the mineral and timber resources of Kachin State, and oil and gas pipelines running from Yakhine to Yunnan.

 

It would come as no surprise if some senior Chinese official has a map on his wall currently that includes Thailand as part of the "Motherland".

 

Political Correctness has altered many historical names, one of which is to replace Imperialism with "Belt and Road Initiative". A rose by any other name.....

I think that such stupid propaganda won't do much in the long run
Offer investments, your own belt & road version and compete economically

with the Chinese.
But you are so full of pride and used to getting everything for free that you

are not mentally able to do it..

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5 hours ago, Thailand said:

There will not be many coming this year.Home tourism being promoted by China. Thais also need to look inward for tourism.

People do not want to get on aeroplanes to go on holiday and it will stay that way for some time.

Correct.  That should open the door for expats wishing to travel domestically.  Most have money, good health and young translator in tow.  Open the beaches, hotels, kill the quarantine—for expats!

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1 hour ago, Jiggo said:

Please pass on the locations of these sex orgies that you are so well informed of, not the gay ones though that you may enjoy. 

Don't know today but twenty years ago I recall 2 such venues, both big, one just off the corner of Second Rd and Sth. Pattaya Rd, Pattaya, the other well down a soi opposite Pattaya City Hall. And I heard of more such places on Sukhumvit Road, Bkk.

 

From my understanding both venues in Pattaya had many Thai girls and boys on staff (not underage) who mixed nude with the paying clients and fondled the clients, and could be fondled. Big fee to enter and more fees for other 'activities, expensive drinks.  

 

Many Asian and western clients, some singles, some couples, and at set times the Thai staff did fxxx shows, and clients could request specific performers do private shows to watch in private rooms, for a fee, and clients could select specific performers to go with a client or a couple to a private room for a fee. 

 

How do I know, I worked in Bkk with an Aussie guy, mid twenties, he went to Pattaya every week end mostly for the above and told lots of stories re above, several times he convinced other work colleagues to go with him and they confirmed the stories he had told us.

 

The twist, we all have our fantasies/fetishes, he liked to view MF couples doing it, but he was looking actually for male performers who would agree to go to a room with him or to his hotel.  

 

Work colleagues would ask him why he didn't go to gay bars, his response was that he liked to see women and men nude and performing, but had no desire to have sex with women.

 

Maybe such places still exist today, I don't know.

 

 

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5 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

In 10-15 years you cannot label the Chinese as tourists anymore in Thailand. They will be "Pisao and Pichai" - Big Sister and Big Brother.

 

I know the Chinese is a big market, and that 1 in 4 Intl. tourist is from China - and polls will probably say that this will rise over the next years.

But that's not because there will be more Chinese tourists arriving, but the other 3 in 4 tourists (European, US, Australia) will not show up here anymore. Nobody wants to see Maya Bay Madness or Seafood Buffet Slaughter.

 

 

Chinese  give very little to Thai traders. All there <deleted> that they spend big money is all lies. It's just ass lick. Russians spend more. Chinese are a waste of space and will infect the country 

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42 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Per total expenditure by region China does edge it simply due to the large numbers of Chinese that come,

https://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

 

It's the bottom line that counts and currently that is Chinese tourists in total who spend more than those of any other nation, second place doesn't matter and is over 15% lower.

 

But the real story is that the supply of Chinese tourists is right on Thailand's doorstep and they don't have to fly long haul to get there. As a result it's an easier destination that will result in increased visits per year, ditto ASEAN visitors which when combined with Chinese tourists gives local tourists a whopping great dominance over other countries.

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4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Whatsoever "most of the Thais feel" is of no account. The people at the top of government, and the people at the top of its agencies like TAT, have strong ethnic, family and commercial ties with China. That's what counts.

Ewwww

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1 hour ago, Jiggo said:

Please pass on the locations of these sex orgies that you are so well informed of, not the gay ones though that you may enjoy. 

Haven't you figuRed out how to start your own orgy yet so you want butt in to other peoples!  They probably won't mind Richard...as long as you get involved.

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4 hours ago, scorecard said:

I suspect the tourist spending is really the point including tourists from any country.

 

But the reality is that tourists from China come to LOS in very big numbers and that equates to massive funds coming coming into the Thai economy from spending, accommodation, ground travel etc. Much much bigger than any other country.

 

Incoming tourism generates about 20% all funds coming into the Thai economy, a massive slice of these funds come from China.

 

Also important, tourism (massive numbers from China) directly/indirectly provides paid work for around 3 million Thai people. That money feeds and clothes Thai families and pays school fees, puts gasoline in the tank of the family motorcycle etc.  

 

 

HAHA VERY funny China feeds and clothes nobody but good try. GOV and 7 Hotel and a few scammers get the loot. Thai people see 0. No welfare system who's feeding and clothing them. ????????????????????????

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1 hour ago, Logosone said:

 

Total expenditure per tourist per region is actually highest for Middle Eastern tourists, second is Australians, third is Americans, fourth is Africans, fifth is Europeans, and sixth is Chinese.

 

The Chinese are very cheap tourists, they don't spend a lot per head. Also they stay in Thailand for much shorter periods than Europeans, Americans, Middle Eastern or African tourists.

 

That's per capita. Per total expenditure by region China does edge it simply due to the large numbers of Chinese that come, however, they are only ahead by relatively little from the second region, Europe. Together Europeans and Amerians outspend the Chinese in Thailand. If you add in all the others, Australians, Middle Easterns and so on it becomes very clear that in terms of spending Thailand does not depend on the Chinese, but rather more on the various other blocs of regions that flock to Thailand for tourism.

 

So the focus on Chinese tourism is an ill-informed policy most likely due to the fact that 15 to 40% of Thais have Chinese ancestry. As we saw recently with the kow-towing to China by Anut, this trumps all sensible considerations.

 

https://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

ExpenditurePerTouristPerRegion(2019bis).png

    Without tourist numbers being given for each region or country listed, your graph is rather meaningless as a way to gauge the importance of what each category contributes to Thai tourism.  

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6 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

In 10-15 years you cannot label the Chinese as tourists anymore in Thailand. They will be "Pisao and Pichai" - Big Sister and Big Brother.

 

I know the Chinese is a big market, and that 1 in 4 Intl. tourist is from China - and polls will probably say that this will rise over the next years.

But that's not because there will be more Chinese tourists arriving, but the other 3 in 4 tourists (European, US, Australia) will not show up here anymore. Nobody wants to see Maya Bay Madness or Seafood Buffet Slaughter.

 

 

So you think you can only go where Chinese go ?
No other destinations available ?

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3 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

The problem is figures can be made to reflect what ever you want, the Chinese provide more of an income for the rich Thais who chauffeur them about and arrange where they eat & stay, much of this money going back to China - remember 0$-tourism ......!!!

y'know, i hear this claim constantly.  that the chinesers don't spend any money, and all the tour proceeds go back to china.  is there any actual proof of this, or is it just barstool economists giving anecdotes about how they never see chinese at their favorite bars or brothels?

 

tour operators in china and thailand sell tours to chinese tourists, who then book hotels and restaurants and buses and scenic sights, right?  so money goes to those thai businesses, who then pay salaries to hotel staff and kitchen workers and drivers and tourist sight employees and ladyboy show performers and speed boat operators and beachfront vendors and 7-11 clerks.  and don't forget the billions they spend at the king power duty-free shops!  surely some of that money must stay in thailand.

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42 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

What do you not understand about money changing from one pocket to another.....LOL I would agree that a large percentage of Thai's are making a living in one way or another from the tourist industry - however not all are to the same degree, and which part of society makes up the largest part of this, the social side which in turn is by the Farang not the Chinese who only look...!!!

    Of course '...not all to the same degree...'.  Duh.  That's mostly the way of the world, I'm afraid to say.  You may be familiar with the term 'Life isn't Fair'.  The average Amazon worker makes less than peanuts compared to Jeff Bezos, who, swell guy, just cut the health benefits for some of his employees.  Not fair, of course, that he makes so much more than his employees but true for many more companies around the world than just his. 

    The subject isn't the fairness of wages, though, it's the tourism industry in Thailand.  The notion that the so-called 'zero dollar tourism' contributes zero to the Thai economy is just false.  As I asked in a previous post, if 1 in 10 Thai workers are employed in the tourism industry, who is paying their salaries if none of the money stays in Thailand?   The large number of unemployed right now, the large number of food lines, are stark evidence that these 'zero dollars' are indeed important.  It's all on display right now for everyone to see in places like Pattaya that are dependent on these 'zero dollar' tourists. 

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54 minutes ago, tomauasia said:

Chinese  give very little to Thai traders. All there <deleted> that they spend big money is all lies. It's just ass lick. Russians spend more. Chinese are a waste of space and will infect the country 

do you mean street vendors?

 

why would a tourist from the land of roadside noodle shops want to fly to thailand to buy......roadside noodles?  why, when they can go to a pre-arranged all-you-can-gorge buffet and enjoy better food?

 

are they expected to buy from overpriced knickknack shops selling junk mostly made in.......china?  they're saving space in their luggage to buy liquor, perfume and cigarettes at the airport duty-free shops.

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5 hours ago, baansgr said:

China's economy is down the crapper...they ain't gonna be travelling too much.

And when TRUMP wins 3rd November, China is in a world of economic hurt! Serves them right, I'm on Hong Kongs side!

 

Make sure you have the Israeli one minute covid 19 tests at the airports before you let even one of them back in! 

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15 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

y'know, i hear this claim constantly.  that the chinesers don't spend any money, and all the tour proceeds go back to china.  is there any actual proof of this, or is it just barstool economists giving anecdotes about how they never see chinese at their favorite bars or brothels?

 

tour operators in china and thailand sell tours to chinese tourists, who then book hotels and restaurants and buses and scenic sights, right?  so money goes to those thai businesses, who then pay salaries to hotel staff and kitchen workers and drivers and tourist sight employees and ladyboy show performers and speed boat operators and beachfront vendors and 7-11 clerks.  and don't forget the billions they spend at the king power duty-free shops!  surely some of that money must stay in thailand.

     Of course it does.  And, when it's not there, you have the current situation in tourist spots like Pattaya.

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