Almer Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Thailand said: There will not be many coming this year.Home tourism being promoted by China. Thais also need to look inward for tourism. People do not want to get on aeroplanes to go on holiday and it will stay that way for some time. Agreed time will sort overseas visitors you wont temp them with offers when there is no transport, look at your own people make holidays affordable to locals whilst you wait for the world to open, and be in far more control of a second or third spike risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EricTh Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Thailand said: There will not be many coming this year.Home tourism being promoted by China. Thais also need to look inward for tourism. People do not want to get on aeroplanes to go on holiday and it will stay that way for some time. They won't come if there is 14 day quarantine for sure. If there's no quarantine, many will come after all, it is just a short hop away with cheap air fare. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DirtyFarang Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 So quickly they forget who gave us this virus in the first place. If Thailand started treating ALL foreigners decently again, as they did before the coup against Thaksin, things might turn around. The virus is just the capper on a long sting of mistreatment and insults. They vulgar Chinese are not affected much by the mistreatment; they get it as home. But Western folks don't cotton to it. But to put yourself in the hands of the Chinese. Wow, talk about a Faustian agenda! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffggi Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, newnative said: Wondered when the ridiculous zero dollar tourism canard would appear--as it always does with a tourism thread. Guess you missed the part about 1 in 10 Thais being employed by tourism. If zero dollars stay in Thailand, how are these 1 in 10 Thais being paid? What do you not understand about money changing from one pocket to another.....LOL I would agree that a large percentage of Thai's are making a living in one way or another from the tourist industry - however not all are to the same degree, and which part of society makes up the largest part of this, the social side which in turn is by the Farang not the Chinese who only look...!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackleton Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I think people here mainly ex-pats must realise China and India are the rising stars for tourism here for the future of Thailand The days of the large numbers of western tourists in the 80s through to early 2000 has now passed Hence Thailand looking forward to the Chinese for investment and Tourism Time will tell 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Okis Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, zyphodb said: So you think that there's no problem with US aggression in the world today? who's started all the wars in the last few decades and killed millions then? I haven't noticed China doing that, since Mao anyway, and that was his own people. OK there was Tibet which was of course out of order. Who feels the need to have military bases all over the world so that they can interfere with any country that affects their economic interests in anyway then? I'm no Chinese apologist, I just look at more than a totally bias mainstream media for my information. So are you or have you been US military by any chance??? Here is what's faulty with the common whataboutism you are displaying. The way US act against minor countries doesn't justify China doing the same. When China acts the same, it makes the world even worse. Not better. It's not okay for me to murder or Rob someone only because someone else already does it. Yes you indeed look at it in a very mainstream way. Whataboutism is the number 1 fallacy sheeps always use to justify theirs or another country acting in a bad or dangerous way. We need less douchebag countries in the world, not more of them. Existing douchebags doesn't justify new douchebags popping up. All douchebags are douchebags, one douchebag doesn't make another douchebag less of a douchebag. Edited May 25, 2020 by Okis 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DirtyFarang Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, zyphodb said: So you think that there's no problem with US aggression in the world today? who's started all the wars in the last few decades and killed millions then? I haven't noticed China doing that, since Mao anyway, and that was his own people. OK there was Tibet which was of course out of order. Who feels the need to have military bases all over the world so that they can interfere with any country that affects their economic interests in anyway then? I'm no Chinese apologist, I just look at more than a totally bias mainstream media for my information. So are you or have you been US military by any chance??? I do not know who you are or where you are from, but, yes, you have lived pretty much under the hegemony of the United States. I have no opinion about the goodness or badness of that, but have to ask YOU, if you must choose one: Would you rather live in a world under the hegemony of the United States -- the way it is -- or would you prefer to take your chances with a world under the hegemony of the People's Republic of China? Please choose one with no argument, and be honest. You say, "I'm no Chinese apologist." Well, that's rich! Of course you are. That is what motivated your response. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Walker88 said: Here's an interesting anecdote that should serve as a warning: Many years ago, Henry Kissinger visited China and met with the then-Commerce Minister and senior Politburo member Bo Xilai (now in jail for 'corruption'). Bo had a map on his office wall that ostensibly depicted all of China. The map included not only Taiwan, but also all of Myanmar. Kissinger joked that there likely was some cartographer busy at work making an "ancient" map, soon to be discovered, that had Myanmar as an historical part, or 'renegade province' of the Middle Kingdom. Certainly the map indicated the Communist Party's territorial ambitions. Until SPDC gave up power to the NLD and ASSK, Myanmar was firmly on the road to becoming a Vassal State of China, with dammed rivers sending 100% of the power generated to China, a port in Yakhine State, ownership of most of Mandalay, control of all the mineral and timber resources of Kachin State, and oil and gas pipelines running from Yakhine to Yunnan. It would come as no surprise if some senior Chinese official has a map on his wall currently that includes Thailand as part of the "Motherland". Political Correctness has altered many historical names, one of which is to replace Imperialism with "Belt and Road Initiative". A rose by any other name..... I think that such stupid propaganda won't do much in the long run Offer investments, your own belt & road version and compete economically with the Chinese. But you are so full of pride and used to getting everything for free that you are not mentally able to do it.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Thailand said: There will not be many coming this year.Home tourism being promoted by China. Thais also need to look inward for tourism. People do not want to get on aeroplanes to go on holiday and it will stay that way for some time. Correct. That should open the door for expats wishing to travel domestically. Most have money, good health and young translator in tow. Open the beaches, hotels, kill the quarantine—for expats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jiggo said: Please pass on the locations of these sex orgies that you are so well informed of, not the gay ones though that you may enjoy. Don't know today but twenty years ago I recall 2 such venues, both big, one just off the corner of Second Rd and Sth. Pattaya Rd, Pattaya, the other well down a soi opposite Pattaya City Hall. And I heard of more such places on Sukhumvit Road, Bkk. From my understanding both venues in Pattaya had many Thai girls and boys on staff (not underage) who mixed nude with the paying clients and fondled the clients, and could be fondled. Big fee to enter and more fees for other 'activities, expensive drinks. Many Asian and western clients, some singles, some couples, and at set times the Thai staff did fxxx shows, and clients could request specific performers do private shows to watch in private rooms, for a fee, and clients could select specific performers to go with a client or a couple to a private room for a fee. How do I know, I worked in Bkk with an Aussie guy, mid twenties, he went to Pattaya every week end mostly for the above and told lots of stories re above, several times he convinced other work colleagues to go with him and they confirmed the stories he had told us. The twist, we all have our fantasies/fetishes, he liked to view MF couples doing it, but he was looking actually for male performers who would agree to go to a room with him or to his hotel. Work colleagues would ask him why he didn't go to gay bars, his response was that he liked to see women and men nude and performing, but had no desire to have sex with women. Maybe such places still exist today, I don't know. Edited May 25, 2020 by scorecard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, rasmus5150 said: In 10-15 years you cannot label the Chinese as tourists anymore in Thailand. They will be "Pisao and Pichai" - Big Sister and Big Brother. I know the Chinese is a big market, and that 1 in 4 Intl. tourist is from China - and polls will probably say that this will rise over the next years. But that's not because there will be more Chinese tourists arriving, but the other 3 in 4 tourists (European, US, Australia) will not show up here anymore. Nobody wants to see Maya Bay Madness or Seafood Buffet Slaughter. Chinese give very little to Thai traders. All there <deleted> that they spend big money is all lies. It's just ass lick. Russians spend more. Chinese are a waste of space and will infect the country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillian Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Logosone said: Per total expenditure by region China does edge it simply due to the large numbers of Chinese that come, https://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp It's the bottom line that counts and currently that is Chinese tourists in total who spend more than those of any other nation, second place doesn't matter and is over 15% lower. But the real story is that the supply of Chinese tourists is right on Thailand's doorstep and they don't have to fly long haul to get there. As a result it's an easier destination that will result in increased visits per year, ditto ASEAN visitors which when combined with Chinese tourists gives local tourists a whopping great dominance over other countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said: Do they really want more of those commie virus spreaders back, most of the Thais hate dealing with them. Agree 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: Whatsoever "most of the Thais feel" is of no account. The people at the top of government, and the people at the top of its agencies like TAT, have strong ethnic, family and commercial ties with China. That's what counts. Ewwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, RichardColeman said: Get ready for some serious fleecing when it opens to make back that baht Yes they will punish China. Somchai street level very angry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy John Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Jiggo said: Please pass on the locations of these sex orgies that you are so well informed of, not the gay ones though that you may enjoy. Haven't you figuRed out how to start your own orgy yet so you want butt in to other peoples! They probably won't mind Richard...as long as you get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 hours ago, scorecard said: I suspect the tourist spending is really the point including tourists from any country. But the reality is that tourists from China come to LOS in very big numbers and that equates to massive funds coming coming into the Thai economy from spending, accommodation, ground travel etc. Much much bigger than any other country. Incoming tourism generates about 20% all funds coming into the Thai economy, a massive slice of these funds come from China. Also important, tourism (massive numbers from China) directly/indirectly provides paid work for around 3 million Thai people. That money feeds and clothes Thai families and pays school fees, puts gasoline in the tank of the family motorcycle etc. HAHA VERY funny China feeds and clothes nobody but good try. GOV and 7 Hotel and a few scammers get the loot. Thai people see 0. No welfare system who's feeding and clothing them. ???????????????????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Logosone said: Total expenditure per tourist per region is actually highest for Middle Eastern tourists, second is Australians, third is Americans, fourth is Africans, fifth is Europeans, and sixth is Chinese. The Chinese are very cheap tourists, they don't spend a lot per head. Also they stay in Thailand for much shorter periods than Europeans, Americans, Middle Eastern or African tourists. That's per capita. Per total expenditure by region China does edge it simply due to the large numbers of Chinese that come, however, they are only ahead by relatively little from the second region, Europe. Together Europeans and Amerians outspend the Chinese in Thailand. If you add in all the others, Australians, Middle Easterns and so on it becomes very clear that in terms of spending Thailand does not depend on the Chinese, but rather more on the various other blocs of regions that flock to Thailand for tourism. So the focus on Chinese tourism is an ill-informed policy most likely due to the fact that 15 to 40% of Thais have Chinese ancestry. As we saw recently with the kow-towing to China by Anut, this trumps all sensible considerations. https://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp Without tourist numbers being given for each region or country listed, your graph is rather meaningless as a way to gauge the importance of what each category contributes to Thai tourism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Expat Tom Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 I have one question for the Thai authorities..."Are you out of your collective minds". Do you realize the renaming the "Wuhan Corinavirus" as COVA19, at the insistance of the CCP, does not negate the fact that the virus was an export from China to the world. While over 100 countries accross the globe want to hold China reaponsible, Thailand wants to welcme then back by the millions with open arms. Thailand will likely get their wish. The Chinese tourists numbers might go up by a factor of 10 since Thailand will be the ONLY country welcoming them. At what price Thailand??? I have live here many yyears and fell in love with Thailand long long but it might be time to look for a different country to live in.... (further comment withheld as it will get me baned again for aother 10 days) I have a novel idea. What not do a nation wide survey ( that is one outside of Bangkok) and ask the Thai people about how they feel about the Chinese? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sydebolle Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 If one in ten Thais make their money on a cake which covers 20% of the GDP - mathematics are done pretty fast, don't you think so? Regretfully the Chinese (or Southasian) slice of the tourism cake is a volume game which goes diametral against profitability per capita. Countries with sustainable tourism handle the upper crust, albeit at a higher quality level which also suffers less if there is a bump in the economy. But the revolving door at the tourism minister's office and the circus, which is far too small for all those clowns at the Tourism Authority of Thailand are proof enough, that nothing new came after "Amazing Thailand" back in 1987 .......... Needless to say, that above-mentioned clientele mixes badly with the Western, Caucasian, Alien or "dirty farang" - whatever you want to call them. Latter usually pays (much) better while expecting fulfillment of quality statements advertised and voice their concern if expectations are not met! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Chinese Tourists as future for Thai Tourism.....wrongful thinking.....or wishful dreaming!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 727Sky Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 Since tourist can disappear quickly especially if they are Chinese and you <deleted> the CCP off over something trivial I think now would be a good time to try and speak with companies who are leaving China to look at Thailand instead of Vietnam. Tourism does not promote an educated work force where manufacturing and marketing does. As far as I am concerned if you walk with the devil (China) long enough he will try to steal your soul.. I hate to see Thailand turn into a mini me CCP/PLA because once they have their claws into the hiso with gobs of money then... well most can figure that outcome for themselves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jobas69 Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 Fantastic bus loads of disease spreaders blocking up the roads and <deleted>ting in the streets one of them even took a <deleted> on the landing floor next to the bins (not on my floor) in the condo I stay in dirty <deleted> they tried to deny it but they were caught kak handed on security video. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 Tourism is not returning to Thailand anytime soon. If you think about it, the group that comprised perhaps 60% of all arrivals (lower to middle income Chinese and Indians) are the ones who have been hardest hit by this idiotic worldwide economic shutdown. Tourism in Thailand will never recover to even close to it's former levels, and that leaves millions out of work. Most countries will still be required to have Covid letters, as the virus is still raging in many countries. And some countries will not issue that letter (impossible to get in the US). Plus, will the mandatory health insurance still be required? Will it be even stricter than before? And just what are people returning to, or coming to? Will restaurants be open? How about nightlife? There are so many unanswered questions, it boggles the mind. One thing is for certain. Thailand will be feeling the effects of this for a very, very long time. So will the rest of the world. I predict one to two million international tourists, between the time Thailand opens up, and the end of the year. And the talk about one in ten being employed by the sector, yet it makes up nearly 20% of the GDP. Does that not suggest more than one in ten? I am not a statistician, but I think the math is suspect here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0815 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 6 hours ago, rasmus5150 said: In 10-15 years you cannot label the Chinese as tourists anymore in Thailand. They will be "Pisao and Pichai" - Big Sister and Big Brother. I know the Chinese is a big market, and that 1 in 4 Intl. tourist is from China - and polls will probably say that this will rise over the next years. But that's not because there will be more Chinese tourists arriving, but the other 3 in 4 tourists (European, US, Australia) will not show up here anymore. Nobody wants to see Maya Bay Madness or Seafood Buffet Slaughter. So you think you can only go where Chinese go ? No other destinations available ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Geoffggi said: The problem is figures can be made to reflect what ever you want, the Chinese provide more of an income for the rich Thais who chauffeur them about and arrange where they eat & stay, much of this money going back to China - remember 0$-tourism ......!!! y'know, i hear this claim constantly. that the chinesers don't spend any money, and all the tour proceeds go back to china. is there any actual proof of this, or is it just barstool economists giving anecdotes about how they never see chinese at their favorite bars or brothels? tour operators in china and thailand sell tours to chinese tourists, who then book hotels and restaurants and buses and scenic sights, right? so money goes to those thai businesses, who then pay salaries to hotel staff and kitchen workers and drivers and tourist sight employees and ladyboy show performers and speed boat operators and beachfront vendors and 7-11 clerks. and don't forget the billions they spend at the king power duty-free shops! surely some of that money must stay in thailand. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Geoffggi said: What do you not understand about money changing from one pocket to another.....LOL I would agree that a large percentage of Thai's are making a living in one way or another from the tourist industry - however not all are to the same degree, and which part of society makes up the largest part of this, the social side which in turn is by the Farang not the Chinese who only look...!!! Of course '...not all to the same degree...'. Duh. That's mostly the way of the world, I'm afraid to say. You may be familiar with the term 'Life isn't Fair'. The average Amazon worker makes less than peanuts compared to Jeff Bezos, who, swell guy, just cut the health benefits for some of his employees. Not fair, of course, that he makes so much more than his employees but true for many more companies around the world than just his. The subject isn't the fairness of wages, though, it's the tourism industry in Thailand. The notion that the so-called 'zero dollar tourism' contributes zero to the Thai economy is just false. As I asked in a previous post, if 1 in 10 Thai workers are employed in the tourism industry, who is paying their salaries if none of the money stays in Thailand? The large number of unemployed right now, the large number of food lines, are stark evidence that these 'zero dollars' are indeed important. It's all on display right now for everyone to see in places like Pattaya that are dependent on these 'zero dollar' tourists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 54 minutes ago, tomauasia said: Chinese give very little to Thai traders. All there <deleted> that they spend big money is all lies. It's just ass lick. Russians spend more. Chinese are a waste of space and will infect the country do you mean street vendors? why would a tourist from the land of roadside noodle shops want to fly to thailand to buy......roadside noodles? why, when they can go to a pre-arranged all-you-can-gorge buffet and enjoy better food? are they expected to buy from overpriced knickknack shops selling junk mostly made in.......china? they're saving space in their luggage to buy liquor, perfume and cigarettes at the airport duty-free shops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jadore Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, baansgr said: China's economy is down the crapper...they ain't gonna be travelling too much. And when TRUMP wins 3rd November, China is in a world of economic hurt! Serves them right, I'm on Hong Kongs side! Make sure you have the Israeli one minute covid 19 tests at the airports before you let even one of them back in! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said: y'know, i hear this claim constantly. that the chinesers don't spend any money, and all the tour proceeds go back to china. is there any actual proof of this, or is it just barstool economists giving anecdotes about how they never see chinese at their favorite bars or brothels? tour operators in china and thailand sell tours to chinese tourists, who then book hotels and restaurants and buses and scenic sights, right? so money goes to those thai businesses, who then pay salaries to hotel staff and kitchen workers and drivers and tourist sight employees and ladyboy show performers and speed boat operators and beachfront vendors and 7-11 clerks. and don't forget the billions they spend at the king power duty-free shops! surely some of that money must stay in thailand. Of course it does. And, when it's not there, you have the current situation in tourist spots like Pattaya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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