Is it Thailand visa policy as bad as European people say

[Trolleen 110]

I have been read a lot of trends and complain about Thailand visa policy. Many angry people complain about that Thailand betray European people . That Thailand choose Chinese.

My opinion is 

1. When corona virus came. Thailand allow many foreigners stay in till 31.07.2020. 

Other countries in Europe do not have that policy. Just example Norway efter look down said that all foreigners have to leave a country in 2 days.

2. Thailand introduce elite visa . Any one who have money can buy it and stay in this country forever.

What about complain?

Chinese tourist very profitable to Thailand. Because the money in numbers. For one European who visit , they visit five. They stay in 4-5 stars hotels and bring the money.

 

[Trolleen 110]

Furthermore pattaja for around 10 years ago was devastated with European criminals. Who abuse visa policy ,stay here for many months and do nothing goodfor a country. Is it not logical that government clear Pattaja. ??? 

 

[Bob A Kneale 835]

35 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

1. When corona virus came. Thailand allow many foreigners stay in till 31.07.2020. 

Other countries in Europe do not have that policy. Just example Norway efter look down said that all foreigners have to leave a country in 2 days.

Why does mean that Thailand is acting so badly?

 

35 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

2. Thailand introduce elite visa . Any one who have money can buy it and stay in this country forever.

The Elite visa is not a lifetime visa and it was introduced years ago, it has no connection to the Covid-19 outbreak.   All visas have requirements that have to be met after which they are available to anyone, including the Elite visa.

 

Trolleen, does your country have visa/entry regulations that foreigners have to meet or does it let anyone in regardless of their financial position?

Edited May 25, 2020 by Bob A Kneale

[Trolleen 110]

Scandinavian country say people have to leave a country in 2 days!!! Thailand allow anyone to stay 31.07.2020.

New Zealand and Australia want you deposit in bank 1.000.000dollar in order to live in the country.

Thailand say pay 20.000.000 baht  then you get visa for 20 years. Cheap!!!! Leave here as long as you wish.

Is it not generous?

[Trolleen 110]

<removed> Thai bath is high now. But it is good for simple people who want to travel in other countries.

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[Martyp 731]

Different countries. Different immigration policies. Whether it is good or bad for you depends on your personal circumstances. The key is to accept that you are in a foreign country and they will probably do things differently and there is nothing you can to about it except maybe vent your frustrations on TVF.

[Trolleen 110]

If people want to retire in England Sweden Norway they have almost no chance. But they can do in Thailand for very small money. Only 800.000 baht.

What to complain?

[ubonjoe 48,696]

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[Bob A Kneale 835]

19 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

<removed> Thai bath is high now. But it is good for simple people who want to travel in other countries.

"Simple people"?

[JackThompson 7,726]

47 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

I have been read a lot of trends and complain about Thailand visa policy. Many angry people complain about that Thailand betray European people . That Thailand choose Chinese.

Yes, and the health minister called us "dirty farangs."  The Govt is pro-CCP.

 

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My opinion is 

1. When corona virus came. Thailand allow many foreigners stay in till 31.07.2020. 

Other countries in Europe do not have that policy. Just example Norway efter look down said that all foreigners have to leave a country in 2 days.

Many flights were cancelled, so many could not leave - hence the extensions of stay.  Under the initial policy, Immigration demanded a letter from their embassy for Tourist-type entries - though the published rules said you did not need one in this case.  

 

They also made these extensions "under consideration" - so you had to attend overcrowded immigration offices TWICE.  Some immigration-offices added yet MORE hurdles, like "bring your landlord" and landlord-documents that are often impossible to obtain.

 

Only after the pictures of huge crowds went viral, did the Thai govt Force Immigration to extend all entries to July 31 - because it was the Height Of Hypocrisy to make group-gatherings illegal, while the Immigration Division was Forcing group-gatherings.

 

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2. Thailand introduce elite visa . Any one who have money can buy it and stay in this country forever.

Thailand offers a "buy a visa" program which gives you, essentially, a glorified Tourist Visa at a price that is completely out of whack to the cost of living in Thailand. 

 

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What about complain?

Chinese tourist very profitable to Thailand. Because the money in numbers. For one European who visit , they visit five. They stay in 4-5 stars hotels and bring the money.

No - the vast majority of Chinese Tourists come on "package tours" and spend their money ONLY at specific "connected" (Chinese owned) businesses, including budget-hotels.  Elsewhere, they jam the streets with tour-buses, and pack the sidewalks with "gawkers" who buy nothing from small businesses.

 

"Budget" Western tourists, by contrast, stay at small guest houses and frequent small businesses, who have a much higher Thai-Employee: Customer ratio.  Entire sois of businesses were boarded up, each time Immigration "cracked down" on Western visitors. 
 

35 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

Furthermore pattaja for around 10 years ago was devastated with European criminals. Who abuse visa policy ,stay here for many months and do nothing goodfor a country. Is it not logical that government clear Pattaja. ???

Immigration has a "good guys in, bad guys out" policy - which means, Pay Us Off with an Agent (which any criminal would), and you are a "good" guy.  But if you do things "by the book" - you are a "bad" guy, who is often put through the ringer.

 

No where is this policy more evident, than the immigration-office serving Pattaya - especially if staying here to support Thai family. 

Edited May 25, 2020 by JackThompson

[JackThompson 7,726]

21 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

If people want to retire in England Sweden Norway they have almost no chance. But they can do in Thailand for very small money. Only 800.000 baht.

What to complain?

The cost of living there is higher.  What percentage of the Sweede population depends on Tourist / Expat spending to survive? 

 

What percentage are dirt-poor, with opening a small business serving the Tourist/Expat population being one of the few ways out of poverty - especially if you are not young, since Thai businesses are legally permitted to discriminate based on age?

 

How many Westerners immigrate to Thailand - legally or illegally - to get "higher paying jobs" than they could get in their passport-country?

 

It is pointless to make these apples/oranges comparisons. 

[JackThompson 7,726]

29 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

Scandinavian country say people have to leave a country in 2 days!!! Thailand allow anyone to stay 31.07.2020.

New Zealand and Australia want you deposit in bank 1.000.000dollar in order to live in the country.

Thailand say pay 20.000.000 baht  then you get visa for 20 years. Cheap!!!! Leave here as long as you wish.

Is it not generous?

Are NZ and Thailand are just the same, other than that the difference in visa-cost?

Charging more for a "visa" than the cost of rent for the same period is insane.

 

The 20M Baht is SPENT, not invested, btw.  As in, light it on fire - it's GONE.  Much better to put 800K in the bank for retirement - but n/a if you are under 50. 

 

All those under 50 w/ good incomes offshore have to spend their money in other countries, instead, thanks to Thailand's "crackdowns" against their spending here.  That's a  Lose-Lose for the expats and the Thai people.

[Traubert 4,722]

9 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Yes, and the health minister called us "dirty farangs."  The Govt is pro-CCP.

 

Many flights were cancelled, so many could not leave - hence the extensions of stay.  Under the initial policy, Immigration demanded a letter from their embassy for Tourist-type entries - though the published rules said you did not need one in this case.  

 

They also made these extensions "under consideration" - so you had to attend overcrowded immigration offices TWICE.  Some immigration-offices added yet MORE hurdles, like "bring your landlord" and landlord-documents that are often impossible to obtain.

 

Only after the pictures of huge crowds went viral, did the Thai govt Force Immigration to extend all entries to July 31 - because it was the Height Of Hypocrisy to make group-gatherings illegal, while the Immigration Division was Forcing group-gatherings.

 

Thailand offers a "buy a visa" program which gives you, essentially, a glorified Tourist Visa at a price that is completely out of whack to the cost of living in Thailand. 

 

No - the vast majority of Chinese Tourists come on "package tours" and spend their money ONLY at specific "connected" (Chinese owned) businesses, including budget-hotels.  Elsewhere, they jam the streets with tour-buses, and pack the sidewalks with "gawkers" who buy nothing from small businesses.

 

"Budget" Western tourists, by contrast, stay at small guest houses and frequent small businesses, who have a much higher Thai-Employee: Customer ratio.  Entire sois of businesses were boarded up, each time Immigration "cracked down" on Western visitors. 
 

Immigration has a "good guys in, bad guys out" policy - which means, Pay Us Off with an Agent (which any criminal would), and you are a "good" guy.  But if you do things "by the book" - you are a "bad" guy, who is often put through the ringer.

 

No where is this policy more evident, than the immigration-office serving Pattaya - especially if staying here to support Thai family. 

Every myth in the lexicon there.

[ubonjoe 48,696]

16 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Only after the pictures of huge crowds went viral, did the Thai govt Force Immigration to extend all entries to July 31 - because it was the Height Of Hypocrisy to make group-gatherings illegal, while the Immigration Division was Forcing group-gatherings.

Actually it was the reverse. Immigration had to get the government to issue a ministerial notice to allow for the first amnesty in April. And again the cabinet had to approve the extension to July 31st.

[White Christmas13 6,964]

46 minutes ago, Trolleen said:

Scandinavian country say people have to leave a country in 2 days!!! Thailand allow anyone to stay 31.07.2020.

New Zealand and Australia want you deposit in bank 1.000.000dollar in order to live in the country.

Thailand say pay 20.000.000 baht  then you get visa for 20 years. Cheap!!!! Leave here as long as you wish.

Is it not generous?

Absolutely nonsense my nephew who is Thai has been in Australia for 7 years

he never paid 1$