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13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats a bit harsh, not allowing foreigners back under any circumstances.

 

Anyway lets see in the daily reports over the next few days how many of these cases reported today actually develop COVID as there's been no reports yet of that. The 9 Thai's from the UK with high fevers who returned a week ago would have had tests by now so obviously no positive cases as there's been none reported.

 

To be honest I fail to see how this is a news story unless they tested them first to confirm they are infected. 

“That’s a bit harsh” ... so is multiple organ failure followed by death.

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1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

"That’s a bit harsh” ... so is multiple organ failure followed by death.

And how many of the grand total of 57 have suffered that fate?

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9 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

And how many of the grand total of 57 have suffered that fate?

Yes, 57 dead is really nothing to write home about. 

They were only Thais, after all.

It suggest you follow them. One more doesn't matter. 

Disgusting. 

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Why don't you do mandatory testing on people coming in? 

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22 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Being married, having kids with a Thai, retired or being a student are not valid reasons. 

Before getting a marriage visa, all foreigners knew under what conditions they are getting their "permission to stay" and for how long. If Thailand allows easy permanent residency for foreigners like Western countries, there will be mass sexobriminac migrants entry into the kingdom and Thailand wil be turned into another desease infected cess pool like Western countries. 

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12 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Really? You will note that as usual, these are infections coming from abroad. 25 people out of 400 = 6.25%. Using the UK as a comparison (as you do), if that number of infections was a true state of affairs, then over 4.4 million people in the UK would also be presenting with Covid symptoms - clearly they are not.

 

In the usual Thai manner - everything bad is outside Thailand whilst only good comes from within.

 

I struggle to believe any of the figures relating to Covid 19 that Thailand puts out but putting that bias aside for a moment there could be a variety of reasons for the high percentage of arrivals to Thailand presenting with symptoms. They could become sick abroad and so wish to go home, they could become infected due to an understandable higher exposure through travel etc. etc.

 

Given that Thailand had the first case of Covid outside China on 13 January and the fact that very few measures were taken to control the virus until mid to late March - don't you find the number of internal infections a little hard to digest?

 

Corona virus is clearly very contagious and has virtually 'ripped' through other countries yet despite over 2 months with little or no controls, it failed to do the same in Thailand. How so?

 

There have been a number of examples that anywhere else, would have lead to huge increases in the number of infections. Take for example the exodus from Bangkok when the closure was announced.  It was accepted at that time that the virus was prevalent in Bangkok, thousands flocked to Mo Chit bus station and others to return to their provinces. They were shown packed closely together in many media photos and there was no social distancing on buses.  In any other country the result of that experience would have been thousands of infections - widespread across the country. Did you see any reports of that happening?

 

I have no proof of my assertions but the numbers just don't stack up and neither do a lot of things relating to Covid 19 and Thailand. 

 

 

Your doubts are understandable regarding the amount of covid 19 cases in Thailand . To counter your opinions I would offer the facts that hospitals throughout central south east Asia have not been inundated with virus patients on the same scale as hospitals in the western world . You are so correct that social distancing in Thailand is seldom carried out . Yet the infection rate is low especially since the lock down .  

There has to be more to s/e Asia infection rates that a coincidence . Popular theories are the high u/v levels here which kill the virus also bring high levels of immunity and vitamin D which make fighting the virus a much lesser task for the patient .   

At the beginning of this year when the virus started the weather in Europe was cool and immune systems were low because of the lack of sun . Coloured people deaths in Europe from the virus are of a much higher percentage than that of a white person because their skin gives a higher protection against the sun and their vitamin D levels are for that reason much lower .   

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15 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

there was no social distancing on buses.  

15 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

 

Given that Thailand had the first case of Covid outside China on 13 January and the fact that very few measures were taken to control the virus until mid to late March

People did wear a mask on those buses.  Some buses left some seats empty. Many buses did not stop on the way,  as they usual would.  Some provinces checked arrivals for symptoms. 

Most important: this was still early, on average,  hardly any one in Bangkok was infected.

 

Measures taken before mid March: masks became very common as of late February in Bangkok (on the BTS 90%). Temperature was taken everywhere,  many times a day. Disinfectant was everywhere. 

All of this was not done in the West, was actively refused by people and by governments, and is mostly still not done today in the West. 

 

Thailand did find that first patient outside of China because they did test. Italy waited for months, ignoring that Lombardy had the biggest Chinese expat community in the world. 

France much later said "oh, we found a patient who seems to have had covid already in December". What does this say about their testing? 

The US started testing,  found cases,  but then their president decided better not to test anymore, it might ruin his chances for reelection.

 

 

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most non contact infrared termometer they use around here are cheap chinese knock offs that are off few degrees or some there is no sensor at all it just randomly display temperature on lcd  screen.

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1 minute ago, Enlil said:

most non contact infrared termometer they use around here are cheap chinese knock offs that are off few degrees or some there is no sensor at all it just randomly display temperature on lcd  screen.

Fake news. 

 

Actually,  I had to buy a thermometer and send it to a company in Germany.  They needed one to reopen (check customers),  but couldn't buy one in Germany. 

 

Wasn't cheap either. 

 

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51 minutes ago, uhuh said:

Fake news. 

 

Actually,  I had to buy a thermometer and send it to a company in Germany.  They needed one to reopen (check customers),  but couldn't buy one in Germany. 

 

Wasn't cheap either. 

 

 

u dont know what u talking about, i can see thermometers they use in malls and shops, they cheap <deleted> from aliexpress china, they not certified, and even in seller description offten says not for human use, and on specs they got +/- 2 degrees C off the scale. Proper termometer for humans got 0.1 C error margins. Then many chinese termometers they use around use fake sensor that dont even measure anything, there was a video someone opened it up and there was no sensor, way it worked u press trigger and it displays random 36.2 36.7 37.1      each time different measure... Yeh u can buy good one but, the ones they use in 7/11 etc are cheap from aliexpess that give u fake readings. I already had 37.something on checkpoint, i had my own in car and showed him its 36.6  

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1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

I'd like to know what the other ones with fever had. They used to publish this in the very beginning, not sure if they retrospectively destroyed that info from the early reports, like they did with the pending diagnosis numbers.

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On 5/26/2020 at 2:41 AM, hotandsticky said:

This is exactly why Thailand is right to have the strict quarantine requirements.

 

 

This is why Thailand can control new outbreaks.

 

 

UK (and others) take note.

Why because thailand are good liars like the Chinese like see when the second wave comes because thailand didnt seem to hit a peak or a fall off like every countey in the world hit a peak but thailand never seem to hit a peak I wonder why so u explain why thailand never hit the peak

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3 hours ago, uhuh said:

People did wear a mask on those buses.  Some buses left some seats empty. Many buses did not stop on the way,  as they usual would.  Some provinces checked arrivals for symptoms. 

Most important: this was still early, on average,  hardly any one in Bangkok was infected.

 

Measures taken before mid March: masks became very common as of late February in Bangkok (on the BTS 90%). Temperature was taken everywhere,  many times a day. Disinfectant was everywhere. 

All of this was not done in the West, was actively refused by people and by governments, and is mostly still not done today in the West. 

 

Thailand did find that first patient outside of China because they did test. Italy waited for months, ignoring that Lombardy had the biggest Chinese expat community in the world. 

France much later said "oh, we found a patient who seems to have had covid already in December". What does this say about their testing? 

The US started testing,  found cases,  but then their president decided better not to test anymore, it might ruin his chances for reelection.

 

 

The biggest Chinese expat community in the world outside china is in Lombardy,Italy? Now, where is the source of this info from? Wikileak? White House? Donald Trump? 

 

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5 hours ago, uhuh said:

......Most important: this was still early, on average,  hardly any one in Bangkok was infected...

 

 

That part is almost certainly not true. 

 

We now know from studies in Western countries, as well as in China, that the virus was present and circulating in the population well before anyone noticed. Based on known travel patterns between Wuhan and Thailand  -- and what we now know was the actual start of the infection in Wuhan i.e.November, there is virtually  no way it could not have been well established in at least the areas receiving  Chinese travellers by early to mid December. I frankly think it may already have been past its peak when the Thai measures began.  The same applies to Cambodia. In fact I think I may have had COVID in Phnom Penh in January.

 

For reasons not known for sure, there have been very few serious cases and deaths from COVID in mainland SE Asia and it is unlikely this is due to few infections.

 

 The extent to which this is so will become more apparent if and when there are statstically representative population based studies of antibody levels. 

 

Many possible factors:

Heat and humidity may have slowed the rate of spread (fewer cases at any one time= easy not to motice anything was happening)

Ditto comparatively low population density outside of Banngok

Younger population age structure

Cross immunity from the SARs outbreak

And quite possibly other factors not yet identified

 

This is not to belittle the efforts made, but at least the travel bans were later than they should have been. Other countries which took measures at around the same time were hit quite hard. 

 

Public health measures are important but in any pandemic there are also elements of good and bad luck

 

 

 

 

 

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