Thailand under state of emergency until June 30

[Dumbastheycome]

Maintaining the  "State of Emergency" status does not  necessarily mean  the continuation of  all the measures it empowers authorities  to apply.

The one  most important is the compulsory  quarantine of arrivals from outside Thailand.

Most others are incrementally being relaxed to the point where most social functions are inconvenienced rather than restricted.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

 

17 hours ago, SpanishExpat said:

Was fully clear that they will extend it. All those old dinosaurs have no clue about daily life. And like always, the most important thing is to not lose their faces. What about the thousands of guys wanting to return to their families in TH? Holding valid visa/marriage certificates Most of them are desperate and would be happy to pay 50k THB for a 2 weeks hotel quarantine to just get back. There are still daily empty flights from Europe. Or why they can`t admit that it was a fault to keep the schools closed until 1st of July. All those poor kids in state schools are lost. It`s impossible to catch up 4 months of stuff and e-learning has 0 effect in this country.

 

It`s like always in TH. Stick to the rules, even they make 0 sense. 

Those "old dinosaurs" are doing far better than, for example, the Spanish government have been doing.

 

Why should a Thai government care about foreigners returning at the moment? They have far bigger things to worry about, primarily protecting their own citizens.

 

I assume you are going to support your statement and post the studies that demonstrate and prove that e-learning has zero effect in this country?

 

[5633572526]

18 hours ago, Traubert said:

And disease free.......

Yes which makes it impossible to justify continuing this emergency decree unless of course they are lying to us about the actual numbers.

otherwise this is just a bunch of generals drunk with power not wanting to let go.

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given that pretty much the only cases here in the last 3 weeks have come from quarantine facilities, you have to ask why the continuation of the emergency decree?

To have control over the people you have to exercise it to prove it... this is the perfect opportunity to state.. we are the masters.

[Mr Meeseeks]

12 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

The State of Emergency is here to stay. It may recede into the background, it may like the curfew, gradually be reduced to the stage where it is meaningless, just marking time in the background, but it will remain. When anything threatens order and stability (a.k.a. the survival of the regime) it can and will be resurrected and reimposed.  Just wait until the first protest meeting, or when elections, local or national, fall due.

 

It has got the cubed root of b*gg*r all to do with fighting the pandemic.

Just like martial law became Section 44 without a bang or even a whimper.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, M71 said:

There is no such thing as Covid-19 it's just a strain of seasonal flu as shown by all of the independent doctors and virologists speaking out over the last month.

 

The figures point to it being even less dangerous than common flu with less deaths than a common seasonal flu around the world.

We have all been fooled folks, it's not a complete hoax but it sure has been blown waaaay out of proportion - ask yourself, are we going to do this again when next year's seasonal flu comes around ?? Are people really that stupid ? Use your grey cells.

 

Wonder what this is really all about - anyone have any ideas?

Wow! This is unbelievable. Please give us some supporting eveince i.e. a list of doctors and virologist who say this is just a strain of seasonal flu. Questions for you. Does seasonal flu leave you with permanent lung and or kidney damage? Maybe you can tell us why covid 19 is more highly transmissible than infuenza if they're the same?  Influenza is symptomatic but covid-19 can be asymtomatic and transmissible. How is this the same? Why is the incubation rate significantly different? Why is the death rate of those infected higher with covid-19 than seasonal flu? 21X higher in New York for instance. The list of differences is extensive.

Once again please support your comment. Everything I have said and asked is verifiable from sources/studies globally.

 

 

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, ICECOOL said:

I don't understand the whinging. I am retired here. Yes, the lock down kept me out of the bars, kept me of the golf course. Couldn't fish. Didn't see friends as much. But I am alive and healthy. 

There are millions of Thais who are currently without work and income. Unfortunately, they don't get a state pension like you, from which they can live. If you are afraid of the virus and belong to the risk group, you can still stay at home, but it is not necessary to force millions of people to accept existential restrictions.

In the beginning it was ok to take this hard measure, because nobody know the consequences. And today you have the results.
From January 1 to May 27, there were around 50 deaths, of which 80% would probably have died of old age or previous illnesses anyway. The mountains of corpses are not piling up here, there have been no new mass infections for weeks, the intensive care beds in the hospitals are empty.

Instead, we still have around 7,350 fatalities on the streets and probably more than 50 people hanging themself up in the same period. 

Let's wait and see when you start whinging, when your country can no longer transfer your monthly pension due to a lack of tax revenue due to the economic consequences.

The current figures in no way justify the continuation of the restrictions (ban on work for millions, travel ban, curfew, alcohol ban, etc.). Thailand should rather deal with an intelligent quarantine and quick test program for entering Thailand.

The problem is that the rulers are old, rich people, many overweight from the many gala dinners, many with old-age diabetes, many with high blood pressure and many with previous illnesses. They are simply afraid that their beautiful, pompous life with plenty of money will end soon.

Edited May 27, 2020 by tomacht8

[Mr Meeseeks]

A second wave would mean total and utter economic disaster for Thailand so this continuation is a cautious move and I agree with it. 

 

Tourism is already dead for the foreseeable, no point in taking the other major industries such as manufacturing and farming with it if the country is opened up too early.

 

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.

 

 

[ChakaKhan]

28 minutes ago, KingDong75 said:

Why is it referred to as a “state of emergency” when all it really is is the tail end of the quarantine? 

So can pat themselves on the back for fixing it....from the brink!!

[tomacht8]

4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

A second wave would mean total and utter economic disaster for Thailand so this continuation is a cautious move and I agree with it. 

 

Tourism is already dead for the foreseeable, no point in taking the other major industries such as manufacturing and farming with it if the country is opened up too early.

 

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.

 

 

You mean like the first wave with around 50 dead people from 1 January to 27 May?
That's ridiculous.

[Nanaplaza666]

18 hours ago, Raphus said:

This is quite frustrating. I have a signed work contract to teach math in a state school from July 1st. I am like all teachers, suffering with loss of income. It will soon get to a point that I wont have the finances to fly to Thailand to take this job...

I cannot understand that if the virus is only within returnees. A state quarantine program is the best. I for one am happy to undertake this.

Moreover, most people in other countries are also in lockdown and as europe is opening up we are healthy and ready to travel and work.

 

Looks like you'r only thinking about yourself and your workpermit and income when you get here . Maybe you should think about the safety and income of all the thai people that have lost their jobs and have nothing at this moment . A bit selfish i think . You have a good oppertunity to make some money in your homecountry as thats where you are from so you know your way around . Seems to me you are only worried about yourself , you are not alone in this situation almost everybody is , so hold on and wait and see what happens . 

[KingDong75]

23 minutes ago, scandream said:

Should someone explain to me the logic behind the decision to extend the emergency ordinance to June 30th, but to consider reducing the curfew. What good is the possibility of going out until midnight if you have no way to sit on the beach with friends or have a drink somewhere without restriction? This new decision is absolutely not understandable!

It’s not it’s just the third phase of the lockdown. 

[JensenZ]

19 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given that pretty much the only cases here in the last 3 weeks have come from quarantine facilities, you have to ask why the continuation of the emergency decree? You can't catch it, if there isn't anyone out there with it, to catch it from. The only conclusion you can then draw is that power hungry regimes never like to give any freedoms back to the people once they have it. I suspect many personal liberties will somehow never be fully returned, such as large crowds, which very soon may be in the form of starving and angry mobs.

That's exactly what I thinking. Politicians who take money when they want it as opposed to the rest of society that have to make it, are enjoying their powers with no accountability.

 

Assuming this coronavirus has been circulating since early January, that's nearly 5 months.... so in a population of 70 million we have 57 deaths so far attributed to covid-19, but we know many of these are probably just old people who might have died from something else. Very little information is available. That's an extremely low number of deaths, even assuming they are all legitimate covid-19 deaths.

 

Unfortunately, if pressed for an answer as to why they are holding on to emergency powers for so long, the answer would be the number of deaths is low because of what they are doing. You just can't win. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by JensenZ

[Expat Tom]

Without a doubt, there are those in government (s) everywhere who gleefully extend draconian laws that deprive people of personal liberties...necessary or not. The purpose of government is coercion. It thrives on making people bend to "Big Brother's Will". It is an addictive elixir and once tasted, is hard to resist. 

[Polaky]

You have to remember that when the outbreak started many countries were closing their borders to the chinese, but not Thailand, borders remained open for some time, people were scratching their heads wondering why they were still allowing them into the country, then china banned travel on it's citizens, so finally thai closed it's borders, Imagine how low the numbers would have been if they acted immediately, it would be all over now.

[Mikeasq60]

19 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

June 30th headline:

 

Country under state of emergency until July 31st !

 

Pathetic, power mad leaders.

I read Vietnam is eager for farang money, what you say Thailand!

[Ayemanomad]

19 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given that pretty much the only cases here in the last 3 weeks have come from quarantine facilities, you have to ask why the continuation of the emergency decree? You can't catch it, if there isn't anyone out there with it, to catch it from. The only conclusion you can then draw is that power hungry regimes never like to give any freedoms back to the people once they have it. I suspect many personal liberties will somehow never be fully returned, such as large crowds, which very soon may be in the form of starving and angry mobs.

Absolutely spot on.

[Bangkok Barry]

19 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I suspect many personal liberties will somehow never be fully returned, such as large crowds, which very soon may be in the form of starving and angry mobs.

I believe the military, after replacing the democratically elected government, declared that no more than five people can gather together as people were meeting in large groups at places such as MBK in silent protest. As far as I know that is still in force and can be enforced at any time. There doesn't need to be an angry mob. Just sitting in silence can get you arrested in Thailand.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Bangkok Barry

[Guderian]

My guess is that they're being ultra-cautious and retaining the emergency powers for another month just in case there's a second wave in June. There have been a few worrying cases recently: the asymptomatic guy found in Chiang Mai; the asymptomatic Italian guy in Phuket who gave the virus to his wife; and the two cases in Bangkok a week or so ago who had not been in contact with any known cases, one of whom had been in Isaan as well. The official numbers point to the virus being under control, but until they trace and deal with the source of all known infections there's always a possibility that it might resurface. At least with the emergency decree in place the government can act quickly if a new wave does start up.

 

Their problem is that if they relax the state of emergency now and a fresh outbreak occurs, how many daily cases will be needed before the state of emergency is reimposed? That would cause even more howls of anguish than merely extending it, so they might have to wait for 100 or more new cases a day before reimposing it and trying to get things under control again. By then, unfortunately, the country could be looking like Singapore did when its second wave started a month ago, and it would be too late to easily get it under control again. At least almost all new cases there are related to migrant worker dormitories, Thailand might not be so lucky in having such an easily-identifiable source for any new wave of infections.

 

As long as a second wave doesn't happen, and let's pray that's the case, then the country will be ready for almost full normalisation at the start of July. Hotels are already planning on reopening during July, incoming passenger flights are only banned until the end of June, they may be allowed to start up again in July, and open-air bars might be allowed to open again with appropriate measures. As a part of this process, I'm guessing they will drop the emergency decree as long as everything is hunky dory. Well, that's my optimistic take on things, for what it's worth.

[Krabi King]

I think many people have forgotten about something else...

The state of emergency is extremely convenient for the government to keep the peace. There is still a lot of political turmoil going on behind the scenes. Lifting the emergency decree could have people move to streets in masses. We only need to look at Hong Kong as an example.

[Sydebolle]

I am not a medically trained expert on the subject but one question remains. Who is telling all those little nasty viruses to be active only between midnight and 4 am - or did I miss something? 

[John CS]

So many questions about the rationality of the COVID19 lockdowns, emergency states , all in the name of keeping the public safe ????.

Yes, it does not seem to make sense

Yes liberties after this will be curtailed, yes Govt decrees will be abused ( as normally happens) 

I wonder when people will decide, enough is enough , maybe when the truth about the virus is revealed ????. Too many are willing to believe the official narrative.

SWEDEN being one of the few exceptions ????

 

 

 

[Ayemanomad]

17 hours ago, Vigilante said:

Wait for the compulsory vaccinations..

..and no visa if you haven't taken it.

 

I for one won't be having Gate's killer vaccine. Wait and see, the peasants will be revolting very soon.

[Ayemanomad]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

About the schools ....they seem to be afraid the young generation would become learning to think....and could even start reading and understand why the French revolution ever happened........

 

 

They really are scared from that student mouvement of Thanatorn seems

 

 

 

True

[robbioff]

19 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

June 30th headline:

 

Country under state of emergency until July 31st !

 

Pathetic, power mad leaders.

“How long can we drag this out for, Uncle?”

 

“Let’s just go a month at a time son. We may be able to get to December. Those nasty farang will have given up by then, and gone somewhere else.”

 

[shackleton]

I think a lot of people here on Thai visa are only thinking of them selves 

Complaining about the lockdown 

The Thai Government have all the Thai people to think about health wise ect

Looks like some of the tourists here are making the most of the lockdown and enjoying themselves looking to the positive and not the negative 

It's only a other month to go 

 

 

[Paiman]

20 minutes ago, Krabi King said:

I think many people have forgotten about something else...

The state of emergency is extremely convenient for the government to keep the peace. There is still a lot of political turmoil going on behind the scenes. Lifting the emergency decree could have people move to streets in masses. We only need to look at Hong Kong as an example.

Meaning no end to the emergency decree? They sure would love to do it the way it looks.

[johnarth]

God help the world if something or some bad virus comes along, lets face it what is going on is bullhit what we have has been blown out of proportion by the news bosses, and as usual carried on by stupid politicians, the big problem now is they have trapped themselves and do not know how to get out of it

[DirtyHarry55]

Hopefully they won't be extending SEO it until SARS-COV-2 is completely eradicated World Wide because that would probably be just before the next election.

[Ayemanomad]

38 minutes ago, Xbeemer said:

All the whining, moaning and bitching on this forum. Be grateful you are in a country right now that is nearly 100% Corona Virus free. After all, you could be in Trumpistan, with the highest infection and death rates in the world. Why? Because they did not do as Thailand has done. This is one of the best places to be on the planet right now. For this I am grateful. If you are not happy to live in this disease free country, there are still daily flights leaving for other diseased countries. You are welcome to leave.

Ah! Another original comment not thought through. Please tell me how they can leave when all the borders are closed!